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Ben Carson’s Shooting Advice: Charge the Shooter

JM Ashby
Written by JM Ashby

Esteemed doctor Ben Carson told Fox & Friends that victims of shootings need to do more to fight back, saying that he would "not just stand there and let him shoot me."

"I would say, 'Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can’t get us all'" Carson said.

One man did follow Carson's advice. Survivors of the Oregon shooting say Christopher Mintz, a 30-year-old military veteran, charged directly at the shooter and tried to block the door.

Mintz, 30, was attempting to block the door of the classroom when he encountered the gunman, his aunt Wanda Mintz told The Washington Post. Her nephew was shot three times, then fell to the ground. In that moment, she said, he tried to reason with the gunman.

“He hit the ground and looked up at him and said, ‘It’s my son’s birthday, don’t do this,'” Wanda Mintz recounted, after speaking to the mother of Mintz’s son. “And the guy shot him at least two more times.”

While Mintz should be praised for his heroism, it didn't exactly work. The gunman entered the classroom and killed nearly a dozen people ranging in ages from 17 to 67, including one woman in a wheelchair.

Gun fetishists would undoubtedly respond to this by saying everyone in the classroom should have been armed.

  • lib

    I’m not a Carson fan, but there’s a training module that we do at the school district that I work in called ALICE. It basically says you should evacuate if you can, but if not you need to try to barricade the door and prepare to fight if they bad guy gets into the room. I think that if you can prep people to fight if there’s a bad guy, you’d have more people actually react and have a chance at countering. I sure wouldn’t want people to lay done in a prone position hoping that the bad guy decided not to shoot them.

  • BADSAM

    The more at ease Carson starts to feel as a political candidate the more outrageous his statements become. From statements like he would support Kanye West if he were running for president to questioning Donald Trump’s faith? Where is this guy coming from? Now, he is inferring that the innocent victims murdered in Oregon were complacent and allowed the shooter kill them. First of all, most of the victims were just kids who were doing what comes natural in college …. doing their class work. I’m sure the last thing on their minds in that small remote college was that someone was coming to kill them. The shooter just walked in, caught his victims by surprise and started shooting and killing people. Can you imagine the shock, confusion and fear these kids must have felt and experienced as their friends and classmates were being murdered? The first normal reaction would be panic, the second reaction would be to find cover and the third would be to try and get away. Would any rational person expect a teenaged girl (with a gun pointed at her head ) and asked by a killer if she were a christian say , ‘C’mon guys let’s charge him! He might kill me but he can’t kill us all! She was most likely frightened to death and thinking the right answer might save her. Carson’s statement was irresponsible, rehensible and an insult to the victims famlies. The more I hear from this guy the more of a whack job I think he is.

  • muselet

    “I would not just stand there and let him shoot me.”

    That’s probably true. He’d stand there and fill his pants.

    Ben Carson can’t even be original when he’s saying jaw-droppingly inane things. He’s merely echoing the advice of the inexcusible Megan McArdle, who in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, mused that maybe young people (she quickly backtracked and said she was talking about teenagers, not first-graders, which is something, I guess) should be trained to rush a shooter rather than try to hide.

    Most of us outgrow hero fantasies in our teens. Rs (and glibertarians) don’t.

    –alopecia

  • Christopher Foxx

    But everyone knows charging the gunman works. Because you’re moving and weaving and running “Serpentine!” you present a moving target they can’t hit. But they’re standing still so you can take them out easily.

    It worked for Riggs and Murtaugh and John McClane and in both Bad Boys movies so you know it must be true.

  • Victor the Crab

    When I saw the headline, my initial reaction was “Oh, Ben Carson says we should charge the shooter with murder and aggravated assault by use of a firearm. That makes sense.” But no. Ben Carson says we should literally charge at the shooter with our own bodies to prevent them from carrying out their insane, deadly plan. And for a brief moment, I thought Ben Carson wasn’t really a fucking lunatic.

    • Christopher Foxx

      Oh, Ben Carson says we should charge the shooter with murder

      Had the exact same initial thought. Should have caught on to the “Ben Carson” part and known better.

  • It’s a simple fantasy that most people probably share. You hear gunshots and do the heroic and selfless thing by organizing a resistance or blocking the door or grabbing the guy’s gun or tackling him or pulling out your own gun and ending the rampage. I’ve thought about that very scenario way more often than I should have had to.

    But it’s a fantasy. And these right wing gun nuts don’t understand that in the confusion, terror and chaos of a mass shooting, reality is very, very different.