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February 06, 2008
More Pain
Regardless of who won or lost yesterday, every day this battle continues is a good day for the Republican chances in the general election. Senator McCain is now the presumptive nominee for the Republicans and, while he's cajoling the far-right of the party and shoring up that wing, the Democrats and by proxy those of us arguing and spitting at each other over the merits of our candidates could be turning what used to be an historically exuberant primary nominating process into an irreparably damaged Democratic Party in November.
Every day that passes, Clinton people are accusing Obama people of hating women and displaying Clinton Derangement Syndrome, and Obama people are accusing the Clinton people of being throwbacks to the '90s and unelectable against McCain, and all the rest of it. For several months early in the year... this isn't a problem. But lasting into the Summer... it's not good. Just... not good.
I can't help but to think that the DNC is considering some serious options here for the good of the party. They have to step up at some point and throw their considerable weight around (think cash) because if this goes to the convention, as more and more people are suggesting, John McCain is the next president.
Posted By Bob Cesca | February 6, 2008 10:13 AM | DIGG ME!
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Ye, There Will Be Blood, but on the other hand, it could also work to our advantage. Just think, Republican thing is over by the end of Feb. Media coverage of McCain lessens, if not disappearing altogether. Meanwhile, Obama and Billary are in the news every day through - what, April 22? (the Pennsyltucky scenario), perhaps even later. This could serve dems well especially if, in the end, they kiss and make up (a ticket together).
That, and we'll get to see Obama (and hottie wife Michelle) in every diner in philly, montco, delco, bucks and berks. Screw Jersey.
Posted by: Ched
at February 6, 2008 11:31 AM
People are already turned off by the sniping between parties, so I can only imagine how apathetic they'll become if this goes on too long between Barak and Hillary.
Posted by: jmrunning3
at February 6, 2008 11:32 AM
Bob, I can't disagree with you more. Within the next 2-3 weeks we'll have a better idea of who the nominee will be and judging by the amount of money raised, enthusiam he generates, and what I predict will be the continuation uptrend in polls, Obama will be the nominee.
McCain's pro war stance is in opposition of 70%+ of the voters. His "moderatation" is so abhorrent to the GOP base, that Limbaugh and Coulter are vehemently against him, the latter saying she would campaign for Clinton, for Christ's sake! The backbiting by the GOP candidates is much worse that what's happening on the Democratic side and GOP voters are so discouraged, their voting numbers are 25% of what the overall Dem numbers are.
I think panicking this early is a mistake.
Posted by: Broadway Carl
at February 6, 2008 12:41 PM
Every time I try to consider what BO or HRC will do if the race continues to be close, it gets too tangled in my brain. I just can't suss it out.
I can't see her conceding anything unless the numbers are lopsided. If they are close, she'll keep fighting to get Michigan and Florida seated at the convention, pointing out to everyone how she "won" those delegates. Even if the DNC steps in, I just can't imagine them having much influence on her campaign. Even if she's low on cash, she still has more than John McCain.
It's going to take a few more big wins for Barack Obama for her to see the picture. She won't back down. She's not concerned about fracturing the Democratic Party because in their view, Bill and Hillary Clinton ARE the Democratic Party.
On a different note, when I caucused here in Denver last night you would have thought it was an Obama rally. We almost felt bad for the Hillary supporters. All ten of them, in my precinct at least.
It was Goddamn Awesome.
Posted by: Nanotyrannus
at February 6, 2008 12:46 PM
Sorry for the typos in the above post.
Posted by: Broadway Carl
at February 6, 2008 12:59 PM
Hey Carl... But I *agree* with you. It's too early to freak out -- now. I did, however, write that if this thing is still too-close-to-blah-blah by Summer (May for example)... we're in trouble. Summer is when we panic. Hopefully someone (voters, candidates, party) will blink before then.
Posted by: Bob_Cesca
at February 6, 2008 12:59 PM
Hey Bob, I do believe there's cause for concern if it does drag out that long, but to have the perception out there, as Krugman did a few days ago, that it will sink us is something I don't adhere to. It also gives the GOP and wingnuts something they can latch onto before it's an issue.
Don't know what's happening with Romney today, and it does look like McCain will run away with it, but Huckabee's not going anywhere until the deciding delegate is cast and in my opinion, their fighting has been much more harmful to them than our side's differences have been to us.
Thanks.
Posted by: Broadway Carl
at February 6, 2008 01:08 PM
This probably isn't the perfect place for this comment, but Carl mentioned Huckleberry, and I wanted to ask: is anyone here an SF fan? There's an older book called "If This Goes On" or alternately "Revolt in 2100", by Robert Heinlein. In it, the US is ruled (not governed) by a theocracy headed by a man named Nehemiah Scudder. Not to go into too much detail, but Huckleberry is close enough to this guy for it to be really creepy to think about him in charge of anything.
Posted by: bajasteve
at February 6, 2008 05:49 PM
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