Actually, their point is spot on.

How will Obama handle the right wing onslaught that is to come? So far he has told us he will "transcend" the attacks. What does that mean?

Perhaps if you could point to the instances where Obama has overcome the right wing attack machine.

Beyond the Allan Keyes race, I mean.

My point is that team Clinton is behaving exactly like the right wing smear machine - and Obama is doing quite well against them.

Oh, please. Penn, who I'm no fan of, has made a cogent criticism of Obama. There's a big difference between his very valid point and the smears of the right wing.

I share this concern and I look to Obama backers to make the case that their man can stand up to the rightwing onslaught. Instead of a reasoned argument, we see ad hominem attacks like yours, here.

This tells me that you can't defend your guy on this point. Or, that you guys are truly developing a cult of personality and actually think there must be no criticism of your candidate. ain't gonna happen. Toughen up and face the criticism.

I don't have a candidate at this point and am thinking of writing in Edwards.

You asked how Obama has overcome the right wing attack machine. I told you he's already done it by overcoming charges of drug dealing (Penn), racism (Clinton), and a host of other non-starter ad hominem attacks. These attacks have been well documented in the media. In the face of these attacks, as I pointed out in my original post, Obama has not sunk to a sleazy level of counter-negative campaigning (he spoke about this Sunday night on 60 Minutes). But he has repeatedly hit back against lies - remember the "fairy tale" attack by Bill? Remember the twisting of his words about Iraq by Bill? Remember Hillary's charges in the debate that he said Reagan has good ideas? In every instance, he or a member of his campaign directly refuted these lies with facts. The lies didn't stick. This fast acting refutation is precisely what Kerry didn't do when the Swift Boat ads aired.

Obama has repeatedly referred people to his website for thorough position statements. As he said on 60 Minutes, six months ago, he was often criticized for being too detailed in his policy statements. He pivoted, and now he's criticized for not being detailed enough.

But he's winning.

Enjoy your write in vote.

Those "attacks" weren't really attacks, for the most part. They are strawmen attacks, the equivalent of a football player faking a foul.

Here's a link to show how the Obama campaign's fake foul over cocaine charges was BS, for example. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/12/ny_timess_kit_s.php

Now, I'm seeing the Obama camp engage in false attacks against Clinton even while posing for holy pictures.

yes, I remmeber the "fairy tale" statement. Obama et al LIED on that. How was that racist? (I still don't see that, it was a comment on O's record). Another false attack from the holier-than-thou Obama camp. At some point, you guys need to make sense to someone outside your own camp. You often don't.

And the worse part is that Obama and his crew and supporters are using the right wing memes against the Clintons. That's not standing up to the right wing, that's caving into them.

But thanks for kind of responding to my question. Fast-acting responses are the way to go, though I doubt if the Liebermanesque Obama will hit Republicans as hard as he does other Dems. He needs to whack other Dems to look centrist and fighting is not his image.

I'm glad Edwards is not endorsing.

Did you read Bob's post on the Lamont-Obama vote pattern connection? Are you seriously suggesting that Hillary isn't closer to Lieberman than Obama? Remember the bloodiest week ever for our troops in Iraq (at that point), and how it was the same week that Hillary co-sponsored anti-violence in videogames legislation with Holy Joe?

You did not explain why the "fairy tale" comment was racist. I keep hearing this from Obamites but have not yet found one who can say why, and I've asked many.

False accusations are not "turning the page" to a new politics. Sorry, I'm just supposed to "believe," but this contradiction is hard to.

"Are you seriously suggesting that Hillary isn't closer to Lieberman than Obama?"

On the issues she's probably closer. I was referring to the "I'm above all that unseemly partisanship from you Democrats and Republicans." Obama echoes Lieberman in that regard, if more faintly now. Prepare to be sistah souljah'ed.

Obama is riding a wave that would exist with or without him. I'm part of that wave. But he tells us nasty partisans we suck as he rides on the our efforts.

I never suggested that the fairy tale comment was racist, though I can see that it may have been confusing now. I just meant that the fairy tale comment was an attack - an attack on Obama's candidacy as not serious, in the same way that it was a subtle but powerful attack when Clinton called Obama a "kid." He's not a kid. He's 48 years old.

I am far to the left of Obama in many policy matters: I think drugs should be legal, guns illegal, and war illegal. But I recognize that we need a president for all of us, not just for me and my friends who are more progressive than the rest of the nation. I don't recall him ever telling partisans that they suck. I have never heard him say that he's above Democrats or Republicans. He is running for the Democratic party nomination. This is a stark STARK contrast to Lieberman, who abandoned his lifelong party because they rejected him. But I do think that Obama has made it repeatedly clear that he's the kind of Democratic public servant who recognizes he needs to work WITH the opposition party rather than against them; they are civil servants in the same government, and the goal should always be to make government work for the people. He's made it clear in word and deed that this is what he's about. Obama has a consistent track record of bringing disparate groups and individuals to the same table. It's in his very existence, frankly. I don't see him as a crass opportunist in the least. But I realize that you do, and that's okay.

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