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February 27, 2009
Prime Time Thread
Open thread for your Friday night blogotubing.
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Posted By Bob Cesca | February 27, 2009 6:17 PM
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Shuster just played Bachmann's "You be da man" byte; made me squirt iced tea outta my nose.
It sounded worse than I could imagine. Ick.
Posted by: Kyle W. at February 27, 2009 6:21 PM
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 6:23 PM
Ew, indeed.
Speaking of CPAC, interesting list of co-sponsors.
Posted by: Kyle W. at February 27, 2009 6:25 PM
Heh. Kyle "snarfed"...
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 6:49 PM
Pondering - can you explain your point?
Posted by: Broadway Carl at February 27, 2009 7:00 PM
Did Mike Barnicle (sitting in for Tweety) just say, "Just like Reagan, President Obama is rejecting what came before him. In this case, 30 years of smaller government. Does Barack Obama's embrace of big government the right move for right now?"
Someone should remind Barnicle that the "compassionate conservative" was responsible for the largest government expansion we've ever seen.
Posted by: Broadway Carl at February 27, 2009 7:05 PM
yeah, BC, I was thinkin' the same thing. I think he's saying that he doesn't want to pump money into helping impoverished people because it supposedly hasn't helped anyone yet.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 7:07 PM
Fe, your CPAC kid must be the sibling of the wingnut baby who didn't manage to escape the Malkin weird sign convention. Scary.
Posted by: dontpanic23 at February 27, 2009 7:24 PM
Dear Cesca, I'm confused...I thought that a government that supplied services for taxes paid was good government and a government that interfered in a persons sexuality or what they read or the music they listen to is big government...please help me...signed confused in America
Posted by: Tim at February 27, 2009 7:25 PM
Also I think a weekly Dear Cesca column would be a good thing...you can sort out the real from the surreal by answering questions.
Posted by: Tim at February 27, 2009 7:27 PM
Carl? You still out there?
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 7:57 PM
This thing is *so* Not On.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:01 PM
"The Conservative Coven called CPAC" - KO
Goddamn Awesome!
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 8:03 PM
Damn, Fe, I think I just became a supporter of abortion in the 45th trimester.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:04 PM
But my Obama hard-on is.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:04 PM
So, how about that President of ours? What a lying sack of shit.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:05 PM
That larval conservative is a talking point playback droid. He will grow up to become a Grand Wizard or Charles Gibson's replacement.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 8:07 PM
I hope that little nasal mutherfucking kid enlists before he tries to run for office or joins a think tank, but I KNOW IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
Honestly. I can take smart kids. I sometimes *like* smart kids. Even if they're "conservative" at their age. But respecting Sarah Palin and
NotJoe the NotPlumber?
WWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFF. I can't take that.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:09 PM
Obama's Camp Lejune speech was just fucking awesome. I didn't think he could do any better than the joint session of congress speech, but he proved me wrong again.
jane -
I think a nice and friendly liberal wench will change his political outlook unless his parents send him to one of those military academies (aka mindless indoctrination centers).
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 8:16 PM
I'm here jane. What's up?
Posted by: Broadway Carl at February 27, 2009 8:17 PM
If you folks will pardon an interjection...
The big discussion of Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan seems to center on the number of troops who remain.
Two years ago, I won a short-short story contest with the following piece.
BABYLON
'I'm not going to make it through today,' I thought as the alarm went off.
I'd been on for six hours, and the way things looked it'd be a busy six more before I got to crash in my rack. Not that I'd sleep. Six months here, six to go: the halfway point was too busy to dwell on it.
"Perimeter alert, sector Bravo-seven," I said into the microphone. My other hand cued up the cameras. "Six through the wire."
Small teams today, armed with AK-47s and backpack bombs. Lord only knows what they thought they could accomplish -- we had the whole place lousy with sensors, mines, and kill zones.
The TACFIRE operator acknowledged. Mortar crews did a rehearsed ritual. Tubes spun and aimed and rounds dropped. The noise didn't reach through the sandbags, but when the mushrooms bloomed on the screens, I jumped.
I always jumped.
A doll went flying across the screen. His legs separated in flight.
"Got him," I heard Sergeant Golden say behind me.
My head snapped around, aggravating the crick in my neck. "Dammit," I yelled over the generators. "Don't do that shit, sergeant. I hate that."
He grabbed my shoulders over the back of the seat and shook me. "Whatsa matter, Private?"
The shaking released the tension from my chest and neck. It traveled down both arms and legs, so they shook. "Wake up," he said, slapping my shoulders again. "Assessment."
The smoke cleared. "Three on the ground," I said. "Check fire and QRF." Another acknowledgement: the mortars stand down while infantry make sure no one's left.
"Take a break," Golden said. "Get some chow."
Strange thing, how you hate a job but can't stop doing it. Reluctant, I took my M-4 from the rack and climbed out of the tracked vehicle.
The Tactical Ops Center was busy. Ten attacks today. They were waking night shift up from just four hours sleep. Not enough of us -- there never were, in Baghdad, which is why it came to this. Four huge forts and a security ring.
I slipped out to the smoking area. The sergeant major sucked one of his Camels. He pointed at his head. "Helmet?" Soon as you step outside, even to take a leak or get a drink, the whole battle-rattle's got to be on you: vest, brain-bucket, the works. Stupid, but no arguing. I put the Kevlar on. Lit up and stared out under the plywood peephole in the sandbags.
What I saw didn't look like a war at all.
He put out his smoke and went inside, leaving a three-day old USA Today on the sand. Celebrities and stocks and basketball scores fluttered in the little bit of breeze.
'There's no war going on,' I thought.
The mortars popped again.
Four forts, eighty-seven miles of perimeter. We called it Babylon. Our last, best hope for peace, we said, never laughing at the joke.
The rounds hit. My hands started shaking again.
Posted by: Matt Osborne at February 27, 2009 8:18 PM
Git- unless a Congressman gets to him first.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:19 PM
Carl, you have to watch that video on the Huff that Fe linked above. (check yer FB inbox.)
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:20 PM
That's really powerful, Matt. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 8:24 PM
Now all our talk of boobs, vaginas and penises (peni?) sounds so shallow.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:29 PM
penii?
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:31 PM
Matt, I hope you wore all that gear while trying to take a shit. You never know when you might get smurfed.
I made my soldiers promise me that they wouldn't tell my parents I died covered in blue shit water.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:32 PM
Pee Nay Nay?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:33 PM
I vote for peni, Jane.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 8:35 PM
GI,
One of the most surreal experiences of my life was having to carry my pro-mask and M-60 to the craphouse. Don't make fun. ;-)
Posted by: Matt Osborne at February 27, 2009 8:36 PM
Hey! I vote for peni also! Up with Peni! Wooooo!
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:37 PM
In all seriousness, I am still in shock from my President.
Did anyone see him tell a reporter that he didn't care if the rich where pissed about the tax hike because he works for the American People not the lobbyist or the Corporations?
I fell of the couch and felt funny
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:39 PM
Matt, we need to form a club. Lets call it "Band of Craphouse Brothers".
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:41 PM
Damn, Joe, I have to listen to it every time even though I know what's *coming* ahem, so to speak.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:42 PM
Down with Gini?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:42 PM
Jane, you know I am a child and just can't help myself.
Do you still love and hate me while hatefully loving me?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:44 PM
I just watched the video fe posted. That was like Children of the fucking Corn or something. Scarrryyyy....
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 8:46 PM
Wake Up PTTers!
For fucks sake. I know you are all on the tubes. Realtime is on at 10 and you are all going to watch.
8--> (_!_)
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:47 PM
Joe, You be da man. I love to hate how I love hating you.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:48 PM
Real Time online GO!
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:50 PM
GI, anyone who's ever had to brave a sandstorm to take a crap belongs in our brotherhood.
Posted by: Matt Osborne at February 27, 2009 8:51 PM
Rachel is interviewing the guys who wrote the Left Behind series tonight. That could be interesting. I bet they don't know she's a lesbian.
Speaking of the Left Behind dudes....when is the Elvis/Osborne collaboration coming out?
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 8:53 PM
Matt, I'm afraid that won't make you exclusive enough.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:53 PM
Jane, you are pregnant with my child
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 8:54 PM
Joe, I figured a kid from us would be more like this.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 8:59 PM
Is this exclusive exclusive enough?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:01 PM
Ms. Frommel, that is very accurate.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:03 PM
See, Joe, that's why I love you (when I don't hate you). That was pretty cool, erm, exclusive.
Makes me think I might could get laid in Iraq or Afghanistan...
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:07 PM
Oooh, Left Behind nuts up next on Rachel. In the meantime, here's a joke I heard today that cracked me up, and if it offends anyone, well... lighten up.
Denny's has a new breakfast called "The Octomom" - 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy in the next booth pays for it.
Posted by: Broadway Carl at February 27, 2009 9:15 PM
OH LORD YES. TWICE!
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:15 PM
Jane, you could be the lead cat of the pack.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:20 PM
BC: I'm not sure how that could offend anyone. She creeps me out.
Jane: I won't pretend your conversation with GI didn't hurt.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:21 PM
Hey Kat, if you're still out there, you need to watch Joe's "exclusive" video. Rrrr.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:22 PM
Hey Everyone! What's happening? That short story was downright eerie, Matt. Do you have any more stick candy?
How are you, Fe? When do you finish High School?
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 9:22 PM
minx: Not quite sure. Last I checked, I'm only about 120 credits behind (3/4 through my senior year).
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:24 PM
Love your underage ass, feo.
Joe, seems women have been in pretty exposed (if not technically 'combat') roles this whole go around. Seems like a technicality to say they aren't involved in direct combat.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:25 PM
Nah, I think 120 is wrong. I think I'm only about eighty behind. For those who don't know, you need 220 to graduate in CA.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:26 PM
Minx, I've got a sour apple and two lemons.
...Why are you laughing?
Posted by: Matt Osborne at February 27, 2009 9:28 PM
I watched, Jane. I love me some Brits. ;)
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 9:28 PM
Good lord, this guy is whacked.
Posted by: ceu at February 27, 2009 9:29 PM
Chris, be more specific.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:30 PM
Those friggin' "Left Behind" books are an insult to the sanctity of the book. That dreck has many more than I want to think about believing it and that fucking Tim LaHaye-- I hope that he dies and discovers that God is a Black, Lesbian, Mother of two. I don't believe in hell, but I hope that he goes there. I hate the idea of gentle, loving Jeebus shooting lasers out of his eyes to instantly dissolve the non-believers.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 9:31 PM
Frank Schaeffer did a really good job taking down the Left Behind crazies over at HuffPo a few days ago, lemme see if I can find it.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:31 PM
Whew! Tim LaHaye just relieved my mind by assuring us that Obama is not the AntiChrist. He might be bringing about the AntiChrist, but luckily he's not the real thing.
The theology in the Left Behind series really does sucks, and quite a few Christian denominations don't want anything to do with it.
I just find it interesting that people put so much emphasis on the end. What are we supposed to do in the meantime? They have tunnel vision.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 9:32 PM
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:32 PM
Anybody know how many times the Bible describes hell?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:34 PM
And all of the MONEY that fucker made from those books! Not to mention the licensing & the direct-to-video.
Matt-- May I have the Sour Apple one, Please?
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 9:34 PM
Kat & Minx & Fe expounded better than I could have, Jane.
Just trust me on this, ok? The guy is whacked.
Posted by: ceu at February 27, 2009 9:37 PM
a very earnest christian friend gave me a copy of Left Behind back in seventh grade. I didn't know what it was, and I got ten pages into it before realizing that, even then, I was a better writer.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:39 PM
Left Behind guy. I get it. I'm almost there. DVR delay, you know.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:40 PM
O
Yup, 0 fucking times.
Some Monk got high one night and had a ancient roman in a toga take him on a journey through hell.
His name was Dante and that is the fable of hell with fire and brimstone as we know it.
Next, I will explain the myth about the Easter Bunny, Unicorns, Capitalism and elves.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:41 PM
(Hands Minx a sour apple candy stick)
Fe, I actually forced myself to read the first book in the Left Behind series. I scanned a few others, including the Thrilling Conclusion. It was research for a satire I *WILL* write one day.
Posted by: Matt Osborne at February 27, 2009 9:43 PM
The whole idea of "lake of fire" was brought up a couple times in the Bible, Joe. There is the one parable of the rich man & poor man, I believe.
And unicorns exist, dammit. Don't try to burst my bubble on that one. Of course, I can't touch it anymore because I'm not a virgin.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 9:44 PM
Ooh! Tell us about the elves, Joe. I wanna hear about the elves.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:45 PM
McConnell must be getting his Viagra from Rush. Only that could explain that comment from CPAC.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 9:47 PM
Elf story will have to wait until Bill Maher makes me cry.
Kat, goddamn it! I thought if you prayed really hard Jesus would give you one try with that virginity thing.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:48 PM
I think that secondary virginity thing only works if you've done it once or twice. The offer is null and void after the 4,583rd time.
Posted by: Kat at February 27, 2009 9:53 PM
So I can't remember where I was reading some of Huckabee's quotes at CPAC this year (which were unexpectedly reprehensible, from a so-called "man of God"), and my googling led me to this piece of excrement. (Not for the weak or those who hate to rack up stats for liars and fuckwads.)
Site's tagline: "Hoping Obama Fails."
Because he's not their President, apparently.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 9:57 PM
speakin' o' wingnuts and sex, did you guys hear that a few more male members of Ted Haggard's flock came forward and said he'd had sex with them? That bit got some slight media attention, but what slipped through the cracks was that a preacher in Haggard's church sexually assaulted a 14 year old boy, and his 14 year old son, and his 15 year old daughter.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 9:59 PM
Thank You, Matt. You are a sweet guy and a captivating writer, too! *lowers eyelashes in some approximation of a flirting gesture*. Are you really going to do a "Left Behind" Satire? Are you going to call it "Left On Our Behinds"? I think a parody has already been done on this, but I may be wrong.
And, Thanks Fe, for the linky to the HuffPo article. Frank Schaeffer sounds like an interesting individual, I'm going to get his book, I think.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 10:02 PM
Adding (attention Carlos, DP, CM? twitterers):
Mofo, who boasts "nude pictures of Obama's mother", calls his grandmother a savage and says Barack has "left his half-brother to die in a hell-hole", is on twitter.
More intellectual violence and incitement.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 10:04 PM
holy shit! some employee self-immolated outside a walmart!
sorry if this is old news, but I just stumbled onto it.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 10:05 PM
I really miss real time when its not on...
Posted by: Fanboy at February 27, 2009 10:08 PM
Michael Steele has a tiny fucking head. Or a really big suit.
Posted by: jane at February 27, 2009 10:18 PM
Fanboy, what is it you're a fan of?
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 10:18 PM
OMG, where is everybody? I might be the worst parent in the world. I'm not kidding, and I feel like I can't breathe now.
Anyone know where Moonshine Mtn., NC is?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 10:31 PM
I'm here, Ady. i think my talk of incest and self immolation scared people off.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 10:36 PM
Real Time with Bill Maher...
Posted by: Fanboy at February 27, 2009 10:36 PM
Ady, Whatever it is, It Will Be Okay. Try to Breathe slowly, you can't do anything productive by panicking.
I don't know where the Moonshine Mtn is, Ady.
What's Wrong, Sweetie?!!!??
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 10:38 PM
No, no, no...Y'all, I sent my oldest son off to go tubing in Moonshine Mtn., NC...and I just read a copy of the "permission slip" . It included a "waiver" saying I wouldn't hold these folks responsible if he's gets injured or dies???!!!! WTF did I just do? Then my ex-husband called to talk to him, and ooops, his mother sent him to NC to die? Oh dear god! What kind of a mother does that? My ex is NOT happy!
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 10:45 PM
Anybody know how many times the Bible describes hell?
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 9:34 PM
You are correct GI, the answer is zero.
Furthermore, the only mention of Satan is one time in Genesis, and he is refered to as 'the serpent,' not Satan.
The whole description of the fallen angle named Satan and Hell and all of the stuff in Dante's Inferno are in one book (whose name I forget) of the apocropha (sp) which hasn't been an official part of the bible since about 400 AD.
These wingnuts base there fantasies on material the Roman Catholic Church disavowed 1600 years ago. I guess they missed that memo.
I might be an atheist, but I didn't give up on Christianity without studying it first.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 10:47 PM
Bill Maher just did New Rules in a Snuggie!
4,953 times? Lets make it an even 5,000 and we can send a mass email for our sins.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 10:48 PM
Silly, I am on the same wavelength. When you have a preacher for a father you have to have some proof before you start that conversation on Thanksgiving.
But you know how facts and truths work on the church.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 10:51 PM
Oh, WTF have I done? My son hasn't called home, and he won't answer his cellphone for me or my ex-husband. I'm going straight to hell just like Tim LaHaye says. I don't even know where this place is. It's been a busy week...but who in the hell does shit like this? Who? I grew up in northeastern OH and went snowtubing all the time, but NOT down a damned MOUNTAIN!
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 10:51 PM
Oh, Sweetie, That stuff is standard waiver, it appears on permission slips to go to the art museum. How old is your son? Does he know how to swim? Will there be adults supervising? Why should your ex get all upset over this?
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 10:51 PM
Ady, don't panic. Serious go to FB and get ahold of DP. She is the master of child hunting.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 10:54 PM
Oh Sweet Jeebus, I wasn't thinking of SNOW tubing! He is probably just having a good time with his friends & can't hear his phone. IT WILL BE OKAY, Ady, really.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 10:56 PM
Really, I have NEVER signed anything before that mentioned the possible death of my kid. Now, my ex-husband is in a tizzy and said he's gonna drive up here from Panama City Beach...and this could get very ugly b/c he's very, very tall and bigger than me too!!! I really can't breathe. Maybe I don't deserve too???
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 10:56 PM
Ady -
People that white water raft, canoe, or tube almost always have to sign release forms to have permission to trespass.
Would you let people white water raft in a stream on your property if you thought you would get sued when they smash their head into a rock? It's their fault when that happens not yours and that's what the release form says.
I had to sign similar release forms in order to go caving.
BTW, the legality of those release forms is untested in most states. As a caver and white water canoer I would not not sue a land owner for my mistakes anyway so the release form is not going to get challenged from me anyway.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 10:59 PM
Well, if David gets here before our kid answers his phone...ah shit!
Kid hunting? I think I might die before my ex can get here to kill me.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:00 PM
Did the boy just "slip" the info for this little trip by you when you had 3,673 things going at once and dinner to make? Kids are notorious for that. Keep trying on the cell-- he probably just can't hear it when he's tubing.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:01 PM
Ady, chill!
It will be OK. Your ex isn't going to leave Panama City to have the police throw him off the property.
*this is if you call the cops*
*hint*
Calm down, your kid is probably fine. He/she is just have a good time and doesn't want to look like a pussy in front of his/her friends to call his/her MOMMY.
Posted by: GIthePotato at February 27, 2009 11:01 PM
Shit! I just gave y'all my ex-husband's name. My son's only 12, though. I've never signed anything that mentioned his DEATH for crying out loud. I'm never going to sleep again. I am the worst mother ever.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:04 PM
Ady, Can you get some folks to be there with you right now? So you have some buffer in case the ex gets stupid. You are an excellent mother, really. You do deserve to live & to ground the kid if he slipped this trip by you.
PLEASE get some people to your house, GO!
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:06 PM
Yes, my kid slipped it right by me. There is never a time when I'm not doing 100 things at once. Is it really standard language? And how much control does one have snowtubing down a mountain? I've been white water rafting 100's of times, but I always had a life jacket and a feeling of SOME control. I soooo hate this week...
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:11 PM
Ady, Please Breathe!! You are an excellent mother! G.I. the Spud is right-- he probably doesn't want to look like a pussy in front of the guys. Get people there. Call the cops if the ex shows up. The boy could have just as easily done this to Dad. And would Dad think that he's a bad father? Only you can answer that. Kids have been doing this stuff since the cave man era-- IT WILL BE OKAY, REALLY.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:14 PM
I'm with GI. Your son is fine. Everyone is afraid of being sued over things happening on their property that they have no direct involvement in.
I would be lying if I said no one has been injured while snow tubing, but it is far safer than driving a car through a snow storm and people in the north east do that several times every winter.
Your ex is apparently an ass. I'm certain that your son is fine and probably having a wonderful time.
I promise not to take him caving. Caving can be really dangerous.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 11:14 PM
as a teenager with my share of field trips, this is standard language. Ady, your son's fine, and you're a good mom. Think of it this way - all the other mom's in his class signed the waiver too, right?
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 11:19 PM
Alright. My neighbors are here but no one near as big as my ex-husband.
This place is somewhere near Hendersonville, NC. Hell, if he doesn't call soon, I'll head up there and kill him for not calling home.
I'm calming now.
What kind of injuries, SillyGit? I'm assuming head injuries b/c I didn't see helmets on anyone, and 300 ft down has to be the length of the lane and not the height, right?
Nobody answers phones anywhere. Geez.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:21 PM
Ady, my mom once had to sign the waiver for a field trip to an art museum. Breathe, and perhaps call the cops to warn them that your ex-husband's slightly unhinged.
Posted by: fe at February 27, 2009 11:23 PM
So when you see him next, give the kid the biggest hug of his life & ground him until he's ready to leave for college...
Keep Breathing, Ady. Git is right-- those kinds of paper are just standard stuff & NOT predictive! You did NOT send your 12 year old off to die on a mountain--it will be okay. When is the little slipper-byer of permission slips due back?
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:27 PM
300 feet has to be the length, and if this is a responsible outfit-- they should provide helmets. When is the boy due back?
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:31 PM
Ady -
No one is going to set up a dangerous slope for snow tubing. There won't be trees for Sonny Bono to tube into, there won't be boulders either.
The only possible accident will be if two kids collide. On tubes, this is not a big deal usually since the tubes absorb lots of energy.
The release form is a CYA for the property owner.
They can't tell you that's it's 100% safe because it isn't. Nothing is. I think that the chance of an accident are very, very low.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 11:33 PM
Good! See if they can stay with you till this gets resolved. If the ex shows up, call the cops.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:35 PM
I'm sorry, Ady, the meds are kicking in & I have to go to bed.
Everything will be just fine, really. The sled area may not be reachable by cell, so just keep trying. You are a good mother.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 27, 2009 11:39 PM
Oh thank god, my ex-husband got him on his cell...told him he can't do anymore unless they have helmets. Okay that's good, right? David said his cell battery is nearly dead.
When my kid gets home tomorrow night, I'm going to kill him...
Seriously, I have never seen DEATH on a permission slip before, y'all. I really haven't. But that's normal language?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:39 PM
I think Minxie is right, they probably provide helmets like bicyclists use. Head injury from collisions would be my biggest concern and modern helmets provide great protection.
I agree with The Minx's other suggestions as well.
Relax, you are a wonderful mother.
I was very glad I didn't become a caver until I was 19 and could sign the release forms myself. My parents would never have signed one of them for me. To go caving in a cave on private property (most wild caves) you have to sign a form promising not to sue the property owner for anything, for ever. No signature on form, no cave exploration. No negotiations.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 11:46 PM
Weak. Give up facebook for lent. Very weak. Lame also too.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 27, 2009 11:48 PM
Thank you guys. Whew! They DO have helmets, but he told his father he had not been wearing one.
My son is a very gifted athlete and paticipates in every type of sport that he can. Hell, I was a competitive gymnast myself, and I've been white water rafting in Tennessee and NC--all over the place. Come to think of it, I NEVER wore a helmet for anything either.
Does the "death waiver" just come in as they get older or something?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:53 PM
Just got home.
@ Jane - saw that site. Unbelievable. And now the same guy has a petition up on his site to impeach and deport Obama because he's not a natural born citizen. Someone should remind him that Hawaii is a state.
Here's what I responded to this twit on Twitter:
@mofopolitics What are you doing?! Don't you know the evil Obama is going to come to your house and rendition your ass? You are so screwed.
Posted by: Broadway Carl at February 27, 2009 11:56 PM
Ooops...I meant, participates.
Boys are born to scare their mothers, and then their wives, I guess.
Yeah, my ex is like 6'4" and a big guy...geez.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 27, 2009 11:57 PM
Oh Boy, Ady-- I'm so happy that his father got a hold of your son & laid down the law about using helmets. Yes, we never used them, but they were developed for a reason & you should give yourself every safety advantage possible.
You are a wonderful mother, Ady! It might be a good idea for both you & the boy's father to talk about the importance of safety & not slipping things past your parents (he just as easily could have done it to Dad). Arrgh! Listen to me, Child-free woman, giving parenting advice...sorry about that! Keep breathing & try to sleep. Keep breathing until you see the boy-- then ground him till he's 40!!!
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 28, 2009 12:09 AM
You're right, SillyGit. The tubes would absorb most of the shock from a collision with another snow tuber. I was thinking about a fall backwards more than anything else.
Is caving really dangerous? That's one thing I've never tried. I'm sure my son will give it a try at some point. I don't want to know when he does, though.
Adding: Breathing again.
Also, why have I always thought that the Antichrist would be known prior to the "second coming"?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 12:11 AM
Okay, your ex reached the boy, I think that I can sleep now. You sleep, too, Ady... Keep breathing nice & slow... Everything will be just fine.
Posted by: Teh Minx at February 28, 2009 12:14 AM
Death is almost always mentioned in caving release forms. fe has a better handle on what release forms for trips like that might have in them. My youngest is almost 21 and never had a school trip involving activities such as snow tubing. CT is the insurance state so no one under 18 is allowed to do anything even remotely dangerous.
My caving release forms always said that my family would not sue the property owner in the event of my death.
In many caves, death is a possibility that one considers very seriously. I entered many caves
where a broken leg would likely lead to death because there is no way to rescue a person with a broken leg. You just can't get them out. Either all their limbs work or they are stuck there.
Although one could die from a fall in a cave, all cave deaths that I am aware of were ultimately from hypothermia. Break a leg, can't be rescued because of the cave passage topology, die of hypothermia. I was involved with a cave rescue in eastern PA. Some college kids went into a cave, did a bunch of pills and drank a bunch of whiskey. One of them passed out in a puddle of 55 degree water. They couldn't wake him up. They came out to find help. Fortunately, I was camped with about 8 very experienced cavers. We couldn't get him out but we got him out of the puddle. I left the cave to get blankets because he was already severely hypothermic since his friends didn't have enough sense to move him out of the puddle. The police and fire rescue had showed up, and they wouldn't let us take him out of the cave and wouldn't let me back in with the blankets. I told them that he was going to die without the blankets but since I am a civilian my opinion was not regarded. I had to be at work the next day, so after arguing with the clueless 'official rescue goons' for several hours I got in my car and drove back to CT. The kid died of hypothermia early the next afternoon. The 'official rescue goons' never entered the cave and prevented the cavers present from performing a rescue. I should not have left, but since they would not let me reenter the cave (they aimed pistols at me when I tried to enter the cave, stop, or we'll shoot", there wasn't anything I could do. Death by stupid fucking police authority asshats. We could have saved that kid. It was a rescuable cave.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 12:19 AM
Thank ya, Teh Minx. I often get the best parenting advice from people who don't have kids. I'm kinda glad David got him--he's more likely to listen to his father, anyway.
Yep, he slipped that permission slip right by me. I think it might be that the older he gets, the more risky the "adventures" become, right? And that's when the "death waiver" appears.
My son said he'd call me in the morning. I'm breathing and having a beer now. Yikes, beware of having sons! They love and are very protective of their moms, but will scare the shit outta ya too.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 12:19 AM
I should have mentioned that the cave the kid died in is now gated and no one is allowed in it. That is why we wanted the kid saved because every cave in PA that anyone has died in has been closed by the property owners.
Ady -
It depends on the cave. Some are safe as churches. Some are outright insane to enter. I prefer the latter. It's all about the challenge. When I think of some of the stuff I did in caves when I was a twenty something, I doubt that I could be called sane. However, caving kept me from becoming completely insane.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 12:32 AM
SillyGit, that's a sad story. Damn, I couldn't even imagine. I've had some scary moments white water rafting in Tennessee, but everybody was okay in the end.
I can't believe I didn't see that waiver. My son is a dare devil and up for just about anything. He and I went mountain climbing together when he was only 10 and he was already better at it than I was. But if he ever scares me like this again, I'll break his legs.
Fe, you still here? When do the field trips start including these waivers, do you remember?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 12:33 AM
Hi people.
Posted by: I Eat Gravel in Alaska at February 28, 2009 12:33 AM
SillyGit, do you know what really scared me? This is so dumb considering the other things I've done.
We hiked up the side of Chimney Rock in NC (I think), and my son was too tired to hike back down, so we had to take this VERY long elevator ride down the middle of this mountain. I did NOT like that at all.
Hi, I Eat Gravel. BTW Packy linked me to your blog the other night and it was great reading.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 12:42 AM
Hey Gravel. sup.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 12:45 AM
Just got back, sorry.
Ady: I don't remember when the waivers got longer (also, I live in CA, and there's probably a difference).
Gravel: hola!
Posted by: fe at February 28, 2009 12:51 AM
Waivers got longer when lawyers started suggesting that you should sue people that look at you funny.
You really *can* sue anyone for anything. It doesn't mean that you should.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 1:01 AM
Fe, thanks for the info and support. I'm guessing it must be 7th grade here since this is the first time I've noticed it. Yikes...tonight was pretty good too until all hell broke loose for a while. Goodness.
Also, Fe, Frank Schaeffer is wonderful. I grew up listening to his batshit crazy father, but Frank's a good guy.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 1:07 AM
I've been Left Behind and now I be rockin' with the Tribulation Forces.
Fairy Tales on steroids. This is worse than I thought and I already thought it was pretty bad. These people need help. Seriously.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 1:12 AM
Excellent AdyLeigh,
My blog has been running a little lackluster lately; been busy with school and work and all that fun stuff.
By the way, I see you everyday on my little "People you may know" thingie on Facebook. I'm just going to request you to be my friend, if you don't mind. :)
Posted by: I Eat Gravel in Alaska at February 28, 2009 1:18 AM
LOL, SillyGit. Tim LaHaye is such a freak, man. But just think of how much money he made. Reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 1:19 AM
Cleft Behind - How we got it in the End Times.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 1:21 AM
Sure, Gravel In Alaska, come on over and "friend" me.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 1:23 AM
SillyGit, watch that link. It's hilarious...
Right, gettin' it in the "end times" Somebody should write a song.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 1:27 AM
I miss George. And yes, Ady, that's a really good one.
I admitted to myself that I was, in fact, an atheist shortly after the first time I heard Carlin's Religion is Bullshit routine. He sort of catalysed my thought processes along those lines and I realized that I was only pretending to believe something that I really thought was foolish at best.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 1:40 AM
I also like being an atheist just because it really pisses the evangelicals off. I don't like them, they don't like me and they keep their distance because atheism, like ignorance and stupidity, just might be contagious.
Hi, I'm an atheist. Oh, you've been born again? Must have been painful for your mother. Did you know that there is absolutely no historical evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed?
In many locales, this conversation should not be used without being heavily armed. Evangelicals are severely humor impaired and particularly so with respect to Jeebus, Mary, and Joe the dumber.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 1:51 AM
Yeah, Carlin was teh best. He made so much more sense to me than my parents ever did. I used to sneak his cassette tapes into my room and listen to him whenever I could.
He had a great mind and was as much of a philosopher as he was a comedian.
This is one of my all time favorites...he also talks about the bill of rights.
Yeah, Carlin was teh best. He made so much more sense to me than my parents ever did. I used to sneak his cassette tapes into my room and listen to him whenever I could.
He had a great mind and was as much of a philosopher as he was a comedian.
This is one of my all time favorites...he talks about the bill of rights too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJRYC0mRwU
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 1:56 AM
Ahh, SillyGit. He pretty much sealed the coffin for me too.
Posted by: I Eat Gravel in Alaska at February 28, 2009 1:59 AM
Ooops, sorry guys. I double posted in the same comment. Holy shit...how'd I manage that?
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 2:03 AM
Some one here at GDAB, I don't remember who, had this link in a comment:
http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/all/1/
I was convinced that Prick Santelli was a propaganda tool because it was the only theory that fit the observable data. The folks that wrote that article dug up solid evidence of a propaganda conspiracy. The rich want to keep sucking us dry forever. That's an important article.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 2:10 AM
Thanks for the link, SillyGit. I never bought the "spontaneous outburst" lie in the first place. And I was actually approached by a group of three people today who asked me if I would be attending one of those "tea party" revolts somewhere around here. I kinda laughed b/c we have the third highest unemployment rate in this country, and a group of stupid southerners is really going to waste their tea? Yeah, right.
But, I've been concerned about CNBC since the economy started to tank for a plethora of reasons. Holy moly...
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 2:27 AM
Anybody still awake? Two things I like about China:
No fucking religious dicks trying to run your life.
No waivers.
You are free to fuck up, die and go to hell.
Posted by: emsique at February 28, 2009 2:32 AM
I'm missing all the stupids right now. Wingnut tea parties?? WTF??? I've been too busy, the tubes here are too slow, and the times are opposite, so I am just getting way too out of the loop. Maybe I'll watch Bobby Jin's reply to Obama's speech because that seems to the be the biggest bunch of douchiness this week.
Posted by: emsique at February 28, 2009 2:38 AM
Watch Obama's Camp Lejune speech on leaving Iraq he made today circa 12:20 EST. That speech is Goddamn Awesome.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 2:45 AM
Thanks, Git. I'm waiting for it to download since it's Saturday afternoon and the tubes are super slow. How's Merka?
Posted by: emsique at February 28, 2009 2:50 AM
is there anybody in there?
Posted by: veralynn at February 28, 2009 3:09 AM
is there anybody in there?
Posted by: veralynn at February 28, 2009 3:09 AM
is there anybody in there?
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Posted by: veralynn at February 28, 2009 3:09 AM
ok, posted this and it gave me an error report that i added...
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Posted by: veralynn at February 28, 2009 3:13 AM
veralynn's being naughty again.
The U.S. is still here emsique. I'm not really sure for how much longer. The GOP is getting more psychotic every day.
If you can find CPAC video clips on youtube you will see what I mean.
I'm not certain that there is enough thorazine to calm them down with. They really need to be sedated.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 3:24 AM
okey dokey all
i am going back to the nyquil induced fog i have spent the eveving in..maybe i should do this more often..being naughty and all! *wink, wink
spleep well everyone
Posted by: veralynn at February 28, 2009 3:27 AM
veralynn -
The blog software prevents too many (I don't know what number Bob uses) comments from one IP address in a certain time interval. This is to prevent spam bots from filling up the comments with Enlarge you penis now!!!!! advertisements.
daily SPAM for the google spiderbots:
Alix Witt is a merkin.
Ann Coulter is a faux merkin.
Joe Scarborough is Mika's merkin.
Karl Rove is merkin adhesive.
Sean Hannity is a dangerous, treasonous lunatic.
Glenn Beck is psychotic and is a danger to himself and others.
and
Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot.
Posted by: SillyGit at February 28, 2009 3:38 AM
AAAAHHHHH LOL SillyGit, you killed me with that one...so, I'll kill this thread once and for all.
Good night, sweet dreams. Don't let the Republicans bite.
Posted by: AdyLeigh at February 28, 2009 4:18 AM



