Now when is Hannity going to do it? It seems like he should either step up and prove Mancow to be just a wuss or admit he's wrong on the issue. Come on Hannity, the nation is waiting.

He's going to be on Keith's show this week talking about it.. should prove interesting.

But hey, give the guy credit for at least trying it. And he only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.. but he does say that he had drowned as a child, so that was part of it. He had to be revived and so was a little more susceptible maybe.

But, as I said, give him credit for at least trying. More than Hannity did, just talk about it then never said another word, but that's exactly what I figured that coward would do anyway.

@Zenyenta - I think the Cubs have a better chance at winning the World Series than we do at watching Sean Hannity getting waterboraded.

I give the man credit for doing it. While I watched the video my thoughts were the same as John Cole. And you are right Bob, there weren't 2 or 3 people holding his head and body like in the film we see every time they talk about it on tv.

And phuck is right, I will change the sport though. We will see the Detroit Lions win a game before we see Hannity do anything he says he will do. Like Lawrence said last night on KO, he is still telling his audience we found WMD in Iraq.
No changing that.

Annette,

How does previous experience with drowning make the lungs more or less susceptible to water/waterboarding.

Sounds like something Cheney would say.

Peter, I think she mentally susceptible for freak out since he had a drowning experience to compare it to.

When is Liz Cheneys' turn?

*I think she MEANT. Verbs! Also I ended the sentence with a preposition.

It does seem less severe than the others (no countdown, more mobility, etc) and he still calls it torture.

Look we all know it is torture. Let's stop trying to prove that.

What is left unsaid or unasked, in this case (maybe Keith will be ask it), is "what would you say to stop it?" Would he lie? Give false information?

I would then ask him what he thinks of the ramifications of the fact that bush/cheyney justified using this tactic. Isn't it now, not only possible, but almost a certainty that it will be used on our own men and women in the service?
Seeing those journalists pale, shaken, gasping for air after only 10 seconds... I don't want that for our men and woman in the service, they have enough to put up with. I'm sure the response to that will be, 'well the bad guys will always use it, this is a dangerous world. they are not bound by our rules" Well, apparently, neither were bush/cheyney. And as per their usual MO, someone else will suffer the consequences.

I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone here.. or I wouldn't think I would, but to be compared to Cheney is about the lowest kind of insult I can imagine.

I was merely suggesting that since he stated that he had nearly drowned as a child, the fact that getting his oxygen cut off with water made the experience more frightening for him, therefore it heightened the torture.

How that makes me in anyway like Cheney I don't know.

Peter, I really don't know you, haven't interacted with you I don't believe, but most of you I have.

Thank you ElMystico, for explaining, you are saying exactly what I was. Again, not sure how that made me like Cheney.. and I certainly think that is about the worst insult of all.

Look we all know it is torture.

You and I know that it is torture. Propagandists like Doucheborough and Lush Rimjob keep saying it isn't torture and that anyone that thinks it is is a liberal pussy.

We are still waiting Joe. When are you going to allow your worthless, gutless, cowardly ass to be waterboarded like you said you would. You said it was just a gradeschool game. We are waiting. It's your move, wussy Joe.

Annette -

I missed that bit about him having nearly drowned drowned as a child. That would certainly make him more susceptible psychologically since the waterboarding would very likely trigger a flashback to his previous, no doubt terrifying, experience.

I'm rather surprised that he volunteered for this. By all accounts waterboarding is exactly like drowning. One drowning experience per lifetime is more than enough for anyone. My opinion of him just went up a notch.

Thanks for pointing that out.

You are welcome Git.. That was the point I was trying to make, however misconstrued it may have been.

It was definitely the lite version and he quit in 6 seconds because he could. I'd like to see one of them get the real treatment - brought to the point of unconsciousness and revived just to have it happen again over and over until he/she/it begs to confess to whatever crap you demand.

The last time this "debate" took place when it was admitted the US had tortured, I read some accounts from other SERE grads who said it wasn't torture. There's a term for people like that: liar.

I agree with John Cole and I would like for Hannity, Cheney & Child to go through the true version. Oh and Rush should be on that list.

There should be no question that being held against your will and having pain inflicted on you over and over is torture. any idiot should figure that out and I am flabbergasted that the media isn't saying to Cheney that this is torture - what the hell are you good for?

Mouth-breathing moron's snappy comebacks: [paraphrased and condensed for the sake of expediency] "Mancow is a pussy, man up an do it again, and who gives-a-shit about them--THEY'RE TERRORISTS!!"

Never at a loss for avoiding and discounting hard truths. The braver man will always show compassion.

Should his compassion be his undoing, at least he didn't become worse than an animal.

@ Allison: 'Oh and Rush should be on that list.'

His heart would pop like a cherry tomato.

There are no limits to what pussies like Hannity, Scarborough, Limbaugh and their ilk will say in order to justify this disgusting, shameful crap.

If we ever found out that Cheney personally ordered hanging a detainee, I expect Limbaugh would point out that some people ejaculate when the neck snaps and argue that it must, therefore, feel really good.

This stunt is politically important, but it has no bearing on whether waterboarding is torture. If Mancow had said it wasn't torture, it would not have affected my opinion one bit.

Mancow waterboarding "lite version" or not should not be dismissed or dissected. Mancow has been loudly vociferous in his strong disagreement of waterboarding being torture. Evidently, he has changed his mind. My wish is to see Hannity waterboarded. I will donate "adult pampers." LOL

Mancow even was able to tell the torturer were to hold his nose at. Brings me back to my old saying: every thing on earth is easy to do ... as long as someone else is doing it.

I agree, it wouldn't have changed my opinion either. And it won't change anyone else's either.

The problem isn't really whether we can change anyone's mind as to whether it is torture or not. The problem is whether they ever realize the people who were tortured are just that, people.

In watching the movie, Taxi to the Dark Side, the guards made statements to the effect, the people weren't prisoners, they became animals, because that's what they were basically told to treat them as.

People who support these torture methods say the terrorists deserve everything they get because of what they do and have done to our military, and because they flew "planes into buildings".

Even though I have tried to point out the fallacy of those remarks it doesn't work. They are just as adamant as I. It is hard to change hearts and minds.

I don't believe the ones who "claim" waterboarding is NOT torture have ever been in the military, been a prisoner or ever experienced any form of torture. Case in point, Cheney twins, Hannity, etc. Bob Cesca & John Cole are absolutely on point as to a sensation of drowning plus all the other physical and sensory deprivations that are deployed in the name of torture. A lot of CYA is being used to defend more than this "finally uncovered" horrific atrocity. I remember, in 2008, then VP Cheney was asked (ON LIVE TV) his feelings as to the American people being unhappy with the Iraqi war. His response was: "SO WHAT!" I find it difficult to understand why anyone would believe he has (or ever had) ANY concern for the well-being of America or its citizens. It's all about his CYA. I hope this most needed investigation of waterboarding will produce this "LIST" of so-called GOOD terrorist information that waterboarding provided. Why has it never been publicized before? I recall brief mention of a planned attack on California. WE NEED DETAILS - CULPABILITY - DATES & LOCATIONS OF PLANNED ATTACKS ON U.S.- NAMES OF AL-QUEDA TERRORISTS - AFFILIATIONS OF TERRORISTS, ETC. WHY CAN'T WE SEE THIS PROOF?

Plainly, simply, you can't produce what you don't have. Well, I guess you can but you would have to make it up.

In Vanity Fair, last December, when Mueller was still telling the truth, not like this last week, he stated this,

I ask Mueller: So far as he is aware, have any attacks on America been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through what the administration still calls “enhanced techniques”?
“I’m really reluctant to answer that,” Mueller says. He pauses, looks at an aide, and then says quietly, declining to elaborate: “I don’t believe that has been the case.”

So as you can see, there is nothing to see, no proof of anything to report. What Dickless is asking for can't be released and if anything comes out, it is bogus.

Here is more from the same article.

Bush said he provided “many details of other plots to kill innocent Americans.” K.S.M. was certainly knowledgeable. It would be surprising if he gave up nothing of value. But according to a former senior C.I.A. official, who read all the interrogation reports on K.S.M., “90 percent of it was total fucking bullshit.” A former Pentagon analyst adds: “K.S.M. produced no actionable intelligence. He was trying to tell us how stupid we were.”

I'm afraid that if we start waterboarding celebrities and the like, we're going to start and water down (terrible pun) the seriousness of torture.

I get where Olbermann and others are going with this, and I believe it's important to inform the nation that waterboarding is more than splashing some water on someone's face and is, in fact torture.

But do these public demonstrations drive that point home? Are they adding seriousness or taking it away? I'm scared to death that at the local fair this year I'm going to see a booth like, "Waterboard The Mayor: Only 5 tickets!"

Thoughts?

I think you have a very valid point Gravel.. And like I was saying.. just getting them to admit water boarding is torture is only half the battle. They still have to realize the people they tortured were just that, people.

Thanks, Annette:

Yes, it's clearly evident there is no documention. I truly believe Cheney is a frustrated wannabe President. He must be gleefully playing his TIVO of the split screen of Pres. Obama and himself. LOL What a nut!

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