Republicans believe life begins at conception and ends at birth ( anti-health care reform, pro-death penalty, pro-war,etc.).

Have you ever heard of MEDICAID?

Medicaid covers over 15% of our population, those who are struggling, and unable to pay for healthcare.

Why do we not hear much about Medicaid?
Why do we need a whole new program?
Why not just use Medicaid to help more of those less fortunate?

I knew a woman once who was basically disabled with Hepatitis C, she lived off of her boyfriends, and unemployed, yet recieved Interferon treatment for years, paid for through MedicAid.We all already pay for this through payroll taxes. We cover those unable to pay themselves.

Just expand Medicaid - I am willing to pay more, it's already taken from us through payroll taxes.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E6D9123FF937A2575AC0A96F9C8B63

We've already been covering 15% of the population through MedicAid.

I actually saw Countdown last night. I began to well up early on and by the end of the show, I was literally in tears and very upset. I told my sister that I was so angry I felt like punching someone in the face. I actually said out loud that I was ashamed that I love in a country that would do this to it's own people.

I also suspect that, that asshole Joe Scarborough wouldn't even mention Keith's show last night. While I only saw a little of Morning Joe, I figured he'd just ignore it. I can't believe that he sat there this morning as Bob said and tried to make the case that we don't need healthcare reform. Fuck You Jethro! This is why your party of klansmen is dead!

Sorry, that's live in a country that would do this to it's own people! I'm still very angry this morning!

@jonah:

>>>Why not just use Medicaid to help more of those less fortunate?

Medicaid doesn't come anywhere close to covering the kinds of medical care available to the wealthy.

"Medicaid doesn't come anywhere close to covering the kinds of medical care available to the wealthy"

Can you be a little more specific? Such as what?
Diagnostic tools?

Do you expect your shiney new system will?

Admit it, you're blatantly overlooking a program already in place to help those you're trying to "supposedly" help. Expand it, just as you expanded SCHIP by another $50 Billion a year.
Chump change, right?

Jonah - some states limit medicaid severely, so that most you'd think SHOULD qualify, don't - AND, governors are already complaining about the upcoming expansion of medicaid proposed in some of the bills circulating now, because of their budgetary impact. Many states have balanced budget mandates, and therefore can't do deficit spending - so in a bad year - some states stop providing needed services altogether.

More importantly, while I'm not clear on what services medicaid doesn't cover (my dad had medicaid and I'm reasonably certain that despite the indignities, he was better off for coverage than I am - and I have insurance through my job), I am very clear on one thing. Medicaid for all would be just as bad as medicare for all in the eyes of the opposition. It would be expansion of government health care to an unacceptable degree according to republican thinking... and so we'd be having just as much of a fight - if not more - if it were being proposed.

QT

I cried my eyes out the whole hour.

QT well true, when you realize Medicaid covers 15% of the population, Medicare covers another 15% of the population. I guess SCHIP covers some percentage to bring it close to 40% of the population is already covered by government, and funded by the people.

Where do people like jonah barcelona come from?
How have they managed not to choke to death on the bits and pieces of their own brain they clearly gouge out of their own heads each morning with a teaspoon crusty from left over Captain Crunch powder?
One would think infection - some vicious sugary brain swelling - would prevent that sort of vapid stupidity from wandering around, inflicting senseless, yammering idiocy into the mix...passing it off as reason.

Admit it, you're blatantly overlooking a program already in place to help those you're trying to "supposedly" help.

Yes! Goddamn it! ADMIT IT! You're not only overlooking it, but BLATANTLY so! (egregiously, viciously...clearly intentionally!!! - welcome to the adverb farm - we grow our own, totally organically! Free unnecessary "quotation marks" with every purchase!)

Of course, that's what we've all come to expect from B.Cesca. Vapid, shallow, poorly considered mangling of simple issues, while evincing a stubborn refusal to consider the obvious solutions. That's why we keep coming back here. Thank you, jonah barcelona. Your newsletter...how might one subscribe?

Sigh. The Shiny New System, you ignorant, backwards, stubborn, contrary DOLT, is single-payer.
YOU choose your Doctor, he does WHATEVER he deems necessary, and the government pays for it ALL from the public purse. ALL. Everything. Anything. From x-rays to chemo to hip replacement to cornea transplants. NO ONE tells your doctor, "No, that can't be done." NO ONE ever says, "Sorry, that's not covered as part of your plan." NO ONE ever says, "Sorry, that's a pre-existing condition." NO ONE ever says, "That's experimental. You're gonna have to watch your kid die without trying the new thing."
So, yeah...in fact, the Shiny New System DOES cover everything, you imbecilic fart.
Sadly, Americans ain't about to get anything close to that. Mostly because of the insurance companies, corrupt pocket politicians, stunned morons that listen to Glenn Beck, and moronic fuckwits like you, jonah barcelona, who have their head jammed so far up their ass they need a glass belly button to type their stupid fucking posts.

/apologies to the more sensitive Cescans. I was provoked.

I am be realistic, you on the other hand are apparently hysterically mentally ill.

@ jonah

You am be? No you am not be.
Go see what Medicaid and Medicare actually pay for.
Then, go ask Big Pharma to come to the table and stop gouging seniors on pensions for drugs they need to live.
THEN take a little jaunt up to Canada and do some comparison pricing on various commonly prescribed meds.
THEN come back and tell me how single-payer won't work, can't work and why.
If you do all of that, I'll help you haul your head out of your ass.
Fresh air, man. It helps.

In Canada, it's costs me twice as much in American dollars to fill my gas tank. That's $80 a week, in France it would be $120 a week.

counsinnavi is correct.

If Olbermann's hour long special comment wasn't a call for Single Payer I don't know what was.

He made two important points:

1. The governement is to provide health care for all (Single Payer)

2. The real demons/villians/death panels here are the insurance companies as your fate (life or death) is in their hands.

The government / government officials / our representatives are deeply beholden to the insurance companies.

As a result, this administration (or any administration) cannot generate an actual solution to the problem: they must continue to feed the insurance companies, and they do.

The Public Option (or any lame watered down version thereof) is NOT the solution because it continues to feed the insurance industry.

It does not ELIMINATE the for-profit aspect.

The only real solution which does this is Single Payer.

The answer to our health care disaster will NOT be generated by the government --- the gov't is an accomplice to the institutionalized, legalized corporate killers: the health insurance companies.

The answer must come from us, the people who are hurting and dying every day.

Keith alluded to this last night in his passionate -- and very personal --special comment.

It is time for us to mobilize and organize as many are.

Look here:
http://mobilizeforhealthcare.org/

Today a group of activists are holding a sit in at an insurance company in Chicago and more sit-ins are occuring across the country.

We cannot accept something which is less than, misses the mark, is watered down, or doesn't really solve the problem and offer health care for all via the gov't.

I do not accept 'less than' in my life and personal relationships: why should I accept it from my government and corporations?

It is time for citizens to organize, mobilize, network, and take action.

Change does not come FROM Washington, change comes TO Washington.

This is the Civil Rights issue of our day.

Olbermann identified the true villians:

The insurance companies.

We need to go after them --- they are immoral and killing us. They have too much power and control.

They own our representatives and our representatives don't stand up to them because money talks.

Follow the money in health care and it will be as plain as day to see what's going on.

Politicians and this industry must part.

They have to unhook. Their monied relationship is hugely problematic.

The people have to drive this. That's us.

Ignore the main stream media and get busy, active, and involved.

Single Payer Now!!

@ jonah

Enjoy your cheap gasoline. I'm sure all those bankrupt folks in America, who no longer have a house OR a car because they had the bad luck to get sick, are overjoyed that YOU can drive on the cheap.

Way to stay on topic. But...But...But...GAS IS EXPENSIVE AND YOUR TAXES ARE HIGHER!!!
And no one goes broke because they get sick.

Speaking of cheap gas...here's hoping you live in Arizona, or somewhere else that, in twenty years, will be restricted to weekly showers and two liters/day for drinking.
Don't worry. We'll be happy to sell you water. What's oil going for now? $70/barrel? Sounds fair. Quick question, since we're ranging far afield, how far can you drive without needing to drink?

Pfft. When you have something pithy to say about health care, try again. Otherwise, there's a crusty spoon waiting for your morning gouge.

In Canada, it's costs me twice as much in American dollars to fill my gas tank. That's $80 a week, in France it would be $120 a week.

Posted by: jonah barcelona at October 8, 2009 10:40 AM

Yes, but in Canada for that $80, we can travel on roads that are toll-free (except the 407 which is optional), our minimum wage is higher than the average American, and our Health Care is covered. I am a Canadian Conservative and am sick and tired of hearing the Americans Cons and their constant BS regarding the horrors of 'socialist Canada' and our horrible 'rationed, waiting-listed to die' health care. As a personal anecdote, I went to the Dr. (of whom I chose) on Sept 15. Was scheduled and received a non-emergency MRI on Sept 25, and am going to see my Dr. today for the results. (and the reason for the wait in between MRI and my Dr app. is because I also run a small business with my husband so Dr. appointments are on my schedule - as this is the Canadian Thanksgiving, I am going to my parents - where my Dr is - for an extended long weekend). Does this sound like the Government is controlling my life?!?

pcbedamned

Cause and effect cousinavi. There's a correlation there that mayb be elusive to you.

I'm out of here, discussions grow toxic very quickly.

cousinavi, did you miss this from my original post on prescriptions/treatment?

"I knew a woman once who was basically disabled with Hepatitis C, she lived off of her boyfriend, and unemployed, yet recieved Interferon treatment for years, paid for through MedicAid.We all already pay for this through payroll taxes. We cover those unable to pay themselves."

(...I'll tell you one thing - I'm never gonna eat Cap'n Crunch again...)

yes Eric, liberals are talented and crafty degraders. The seem to love to artfully fill the tubes with their superiority complex.

@ jonah

If you think your taxes are already covering those who cannot pay for themselves, your head is jammed way deeper than I thought.
That's about the most ignorant, stunned, myopic, ridiculous goddamn thing I've heard in a long time.
And your personal anecdote about some woman you sorta knew that one time (whose medical history you apparently know backwards and forwards) doesn't cut ANY policy mustard with me.

Yes I'd imagined you'd have some trouble digesting real, truthful information.

Is that " the most ignorant, stunned, myopic, ridiculous goddamn thing I've heard in a long time." ?

really? twilight zoner. We spend alomost a trillion a year on government healthcare.
None of that money comes from payroll taxes?

Would you like to see my payroll stub and the deductions for medicare and medicaid?

What do you know anyways. go beat yourself off and chill.

I pay 105.90 into Medicare/Medicaid each month.
I pay 144.26 into United Healthcare each month.

I wonder how many Republicans would denounce the PO and then proceed to sign it into law for their state anyway.

Sort of like Bobby Jindal cutting off funding for ACORN even though the state never funded ACORN to begin with.

@ jonah

Look, you dense little twit. No one ever said you didn't contribute a few dollars each week to provide basic medical services to seniors. Big fucking deal.
There are people DYING for lack of access to health care in America. There are people WITH INSURANCE being denied critical care. Others WITH INSURANCE who are losing their life savings and their homes because they get sick.
Yeah, America spends a SHITLOAD MORE than ANY OTHER COUNTRY, and it still can't cover everyone (like Canada, France, England, Taiwan, SIngapore, Brazil, Cuba, Sweden, Norway, Finland, China, Japan, Germany and every other place with fucking paved roads).
YOU SAID that your taxes ALREADY COVER those who have no insurance. THAT was the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. Not only just fucking wrong, but brainless and ignorant as well.
Wait til you NEED your insurance. We'll see how quick United is to pony up the full coverage you think you're entitled to...or how quickly they find some reason to lay you off on "previously existing condition" / "failure to disclose on application" / "unproven therapy" or some other bullshit that will leave you broke.
THEN you'll get to haul your cranky, ignorant, uneducated, blithering ass down to the emergency room and find out how far your paltry payroll deductions take you.
You come in here with yammering stupidity about expanding Medicare and an anecdote about some person you know who lived with some guy who had Hep C...and you think you have either evidence or a solution?
Frankly, you're a perfect example of the dumbing down of America. A bunch of foolish, uneducated fuckwits who are too stupid to know how goddamn stupid you are, but you're still certain you have it all figured out.

Go beat myself off? No need, son...your Mom is here earning some loose change to cover your medical bills.

Yes, above you did.

Anyways here is some factual information for the uninformed shallow emotionally unstable nitwits such as yourself:

U.S. MEDICAL BANKRUPTCIES A MYTH; PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY RATE HIGHER IN CANADA

The idea that large numbers of Americans are declaring bankruptcy due to medical expenses is a myth.

Therefore, the introduction of government-run health insurance in the United States will do nothing to reduce personal bankruptcies, concludes a new study by the Fraser Institute.

The current debate about reforming U.S. health care policy has included suggestions that nearly two-thirds of personal bankruptcies in the United States result from uninsured medical expenses or loss of income due to illness. Advocates of socialized medicine argue that this would not occur if the United States adopted a government-run health system similar to Canada's. However, if socialized medicine played a role in reducing personal bankruptcies, we would expect to see a lower rate of personal bankruptcy in Canada compared to the United States.

To the contrary, says Fraser:

The personal bankruptcy rate was actually higher in Canada in 2006 and 2007 (0.30 percent for both years) than in the United States (0.20 percent and .27 percent).

Medical spending was only one of several contributing factors in 17 percent of U.S. bankruptcies -- medical debts accounted for only 12 to 13 percent of the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy.

Medical reasons were cited as the primary cause of bankruptcy by approximately 15 percent of bankrupt Canadian seniors (55 years of age and older).

Non-medical expenditures comprise the majority of debt among bankrupt consumers in both Canada and the United States; the inability to earn sufficient income to cover these costs -- not exposure to uninsured medical costs -- is the real explanation for almost all bankruptcies in either country.

Thus, bankruptcy statistics do not support arguments for a government-run, single-payer, socialized health insurance system, says Fraser.

Source: Brett J. Skinner and Mark Rovere, "U.S. Medical Bankruptcies a Myth; Personal Bankruptcy Rate Higher in Canada," Fraser Institute, July 7, 2009

Read about this here

Andd finally, in an attempt to inform you further...read on:

The purpose of the American Medical Association's "2008 National Health Insurer Report Card" is to provide physicians and the general public a reliable and defensible source of critical metrics concerning the timeliness, transparency and accuracy of claims processing by the health insurance companies that are responsible for paying these claims. Billions of dollars in administrative waste would be eliminated each year if third party-payers sent a timely, accurate and specific response to each physician claim.

An analysis of almost 10,000,000 insurance claims by the AMA to seven private insurance companies and Medicare between March 2007 and March 2008 reveals that more than half a million (574,591) claims were denied, and the chart above displays the percentage of claims denied by each insurer during that period. Medicare led the group with the greatest percentage of insurance claims denied (6.85%), more than double the denial rate for private insurers like UHC (2.7%), Coventry (2.9%), Humana (2.9%) and CIGNA (3.4%).

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/2008-nhirc-report-card.pdf

You know how to spot a troll? He says something along the lines of, "I'm outta here," right before continuing to post and argue his impotent point.

The Fraser Institute is an independent, non-partisan think tank of trustworthiness? But they just happen to espouse free-market principles applied to the world economy? Sounds totally plausible.

By the way, jonah, aren't you just a little upset that you're paying for both UnitedHealth, and Medicare, and only getting what is really the worst of the two? I know I am, though my money goes to Aetna.

But Medicare, of course, is socialized medicine. Funny thing, that for six years the federal government was more than happy to give me socialized, single-payer style health care so long as I was willing and able to go overseas and risk my life. (That single-payer being you, and all other income tax paying citizens - hey, maybe you should be upset you're not getting the benefit of -that- payment, either). Funnier thing, still: active duty military health care is often cited as the single best example of health care in the United States, and perhaps even the world.

But, hey, it's too good for you. So have some sloppy seconds from UnitedHealth, who will also find that they're soon too good for you, and drop you like cousinavi up there is dropping your mom.

My Medicare payments are used to cover people in retirement today, just as others paying in when I am in retirement will cover my healthcare. I see nothing wrong with this.

Your statement:

"By the way, jonah, aren't you just a little upset that you're paying for both UnitedHealth, and Medicare, and only getting what is really the worst of the two?"

really makes absolutely no sense, however your chum buddy cousinavi will defend you.. just watch.

Actually, I've only ever posted on this site once before. No one here is particularly chummy with me; difficult to be chummy, if you don't know the person you're supposedly chummy with. I also do not require anyone else's defense. Here, let me explain:

You pay for Medicare. You pay for UnitedHealth. These are two simple facts we agree on, yes? Okay, continuing.

First, you see no problem with paying to Medicare to insure seniors. Another thing we agree on. Amazing, isn't it? Here comes the disconnect....

We, both of us and likely most everyone else who has posted on this thread, pay for two forms of insurance. One for others (oh noes, socialized medicine!!1!) and one for ourselves and our families. Medicare cannot drop you from their coverage, and cannot deny basic coverage. Pre-existing conditions does not exist in Medicare's jargon, nor does rescission.

UnitedHealth, on the other hand, makes constant use of both. Had a yeast infection ten years ago? Then they won't cover your cancer medicine, and you'll likely be dropped altogether. And now, since they've lost a paying customer (and saved hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process), they take in less profit. So, they raise rates on the rest of their clientele. That means you. Stay with me, now.

So, to answer your implied question as to my sensibilities, I'd say Medicare is the better system because, get this, you get -HEALTH CARE-.

Personally, I think single payer's the only way to curb medical costs in this country, and give every citizen, quote, "affordable, portable health care." That said, I'd be all for an option that gives Medicare to everyone; after all, we're all paying nearly as much for it as we are private insurance, and Medicare's overhead (and profit-requirements) are far less. More paid into it, and less taken out for CEO extravagance, can't help but equal better health care for all.

funny thing is, Medicare only covers 80% of costs, and as I posted, has double the denial of claim rate as Private insurance.

I've never been denied a claim, or dropped from coverage, even though I have pre-existing conditions.

I also had to have a $18,000 surgery from a fall.
Completely covered.

I think you purposely distort statistics to serve your own goals. I believe many of you do.

Funnier thing, my very good private health insurance only pays 80% of costs, too. I'd prefer Medicare, and single payer would solve all of the above problems.

And, you know what? Congratulations on not being denied a claim, or dropped from coverage. I'm genuinely happy for you. Maybe you could actually give a shit about the rest of your neighbors.

And my "goals" are, ironically, what would typically be called Christian even though I'm an atheist. You know, help the poor, help thy neighbor, and all of that.

Ahh, so now I'm selfish. Wipe that personal experience smirk off your selfish face basterd!

I do help the poor, my neighber and all of that too regardless of whether your distortionalized mindset may have allow you believe it or not.

Holy shit, I do love it when something brings our Cousin Avi out of his lair.

Olbermann blew me away last night.

Someone should tie Joe Blowborough to a chair and make him watch it until he publicly acknowledges it (and its importance). And every time he says "and when I was in Congress" he gets a little electrical jolt.

"may allow you to believe it or not...."

You love degrading tirades and promote real torture too.

Liberalism is truly a mental illness.

Wasn't Manuel on "Fawlty Towers" from Barcelona?.....

@ Eric

You slay me!

TimB5884 --- I'm with you.

@ jonah blithering fuckwit barcelona troll moron:

The Fraser Institute is a think tank based in Canada that espouses free market principles. Its stated mandate is to advocate for freedom and competitive markets. It generally opposes public policy solutions based on government spending, taxes, deficits, and regulation. Some of the public policy stands taken by the Institute include: greater free trade throughout the world, privatization of various government services, the freedom to own and acquire firearms without controls, marijuana legalization, competition in primary schooling, and greater private sector involvement in the delivery of healthcare insurance and services.

For further information in the Arctic Ptarmigan (or biased assholes), please contact the Canadian Wildlife Service, 56 Sparks St., Ottawa, Ontario...

Look, you yammering tithead, I've almost made some small attempt to be generous to your insistent stupidity. What will you prop up next? Glenn Beck? Michelle Bachmann?
If you had half the neurons you seem to think you've got, and they were able to snap at each other instead of suffering their isolation, you would have cottoned on to the fact that you're out of your depth. Dragging up some ginned up stats cranked out by a bunch of right-wing fucktards who had a conclusion long before they had any data (much like your Hep C buddy) ain't gonna get you an inch of bandage around here...or (and worse for you) with ME.
You can draw your phony bullshit study quotes from Fraser, or the John Birch Society, or any other backward reasoning piece of shit 'principles over data' source you want. NONE of it changes the clear and obvious facts, first among which is that you're incredibly stupid, gullible, stubborn and determined to flaunt your ignorance in public. Fair enough. You've done a fine job of that.

I'm from Canada, where no one is ever denied health care.
I live in Taiwan, where no one is ever denied health care.
You are attempting to defend a system that distinguishes levels of care that differ substantially between those who can afford insurance and those who cannot, AND between those who can pay cash and those who cannot. That, you infected spooge stain, makes you a hideous embarrassment to humanity, to DNA...and to your Mom, who is busy earning some more spare change for when United decides you've already cost them enough.

But, please...keep coming back for more. There's nothing I like better than slapping low hanging fruit...and you, as fruit goes, are lower than the belly of a pregnant rattlesnake. I mean, really...you have to WORK at it to be that insistently fucking stupid.
Do yourself a favour: Stop exposing yourself in public. Learn to STFU, read a book...get an education. No kidding, son. Figure out how fucking ignorant you really are. Embrace the horror.

@ jonah fuckwit

Eat shit. Here's some salt to help you choke it down, you ignorant fucktard:

WaPo

Study

Consumer Affairs

The American Journal of Medicine

Goddamn it!

The American Journal of Medicine

Wanna compare sources? DO YOU REALLY WANNA COMPARE SOURCES?

Wait...OMGNoes! I bet you have a pithy study conducted by the Lyndon LaRouche Center for Progressive American Health Care, funded by William Coors and David Duke.
Fuck me. And all I got is the American Journal of Medicine.
Jeepers. I guess you're just so much better informed.
You urbane, cultured and insightful man.

Here...have another plate of steaming shit:

More salt?

WTF? Can't get this fucking link to work. (Bob...you gotta add BUTTONS!)

American Journal of Medicine

@ jonah: Pepper?

OPB News? LOL!

Notice the toxic tantrum everyone. Observe the reaction of one who's been exposed as a fraud: cousinvinni

Take you Beck Bachman whines to your mom.

Liberals are the whiniest piss moan and groaners on earth. Piss Moan Groan and Biyatch...all day long... degrade the enemy ! they are borg ! useless republi puglic thuglicans !

How pathetic - you got 60 votes - who's useless?

Blame Bush now.

cousinavi - canadain living in Taiwan....?

Mind your own fucking business asshole, and I mean asshole in the clearist more pure form of the word. You even look like one. You're toxic. Drink some water, your acidity levels are skyrocketing...

@ jonah

I'll leave it to the rest of the Cescans to determine who's whining, who has evidence, and whose argument offers reason, clarity and insight.

You can whine about "librul hate" and "librul bias" all you want - go ahead, BE Rush Limbaugh.
You have no argument, your cites/references are frauds and funded phonies.

Go further - debunk The American Journal of Medicine.
Consumer Affairs...yeah, can't trust those fuckers!

Blame Bush? No need. That's a gimme.
I'll go all the way back and blame Reagan, you're icon and idol (a man who played second fiddle to a CHIMP!)

But there's no need for any of that. I'm not about blame, I'm about solutions - you know, those things you pretend to have but lack the fundamental understanding of the issue to offer anything more than talking point yammering you stole of Mark Levin.

Exposed as a fraud? LOL.
Listen, payroll deduction boy...any time you feel like wagering a month's wages against twice whatever that amount might be (we'll deposit the cash, in advance, with someone trustworthy - would you accept Cesca?) I'll be happy to compare credentials with YOU.
We'll start with academics, toss in passport visa stamps (worldview counts, eh?), and compare net worth. The first two I take as gimmes...of that I'm certain. The last one, despite being relatively poor, I'm prepared to risk...no one with any real money would be stupid enough to gobble the arguments you eagerly make.
Fraud, indeed. You can question many things about me, you stunted little shit, but questioning my bona fides has three possible outcomes:
1. You keep yammering and never show the stones to settle the question
2. You are further embarrassed in public
3. I beat the ever loving shit out of you if you're ever stupid enough to get within arms reach

Call ME a fraud? I am MANY despicable things, but a fraud ain't one of them, you ignorant son of a whore.

Canadian practicing international trade and maritime shipping law throughout Asia. Based in Taipei, with offices in Singapore, Hong Kong, Pusan and Kuala Lumpur.

And, as far as my business goes, you backwards fuck, I MAKE IT MY BUSINESS to slap down ignorance and stupidity wherever I find it. In that regard, you're a fucking gold mine.

The AMA is a funded phony?

Mind your own fucking business asshole.

You think you're slapped me down?
Am I supposed to be impressed that you're a clerk working in Taiwan tapping keys on a computer?

oooooooh now I'm the son of a whore.... clever avi. Get a life.

avi wants to beat the ever loving shit out of me, compare credentials and paychecks!

What an unstable emotionally weak low self-esteemed lonely soal...

Perhaps you deserve my pityrather than retaliation.

I'm sorry cousinavi.

Be well. Peace. Now go away and mind your own business like a real man.

soal?

Look, junior. YOU called ME a fraud.
That's an empirical question that can easily be settled...if you have the stones for it. If you're man enough to out your money where your blithering, yammering mouth is, fine. If not, well...shut the fuck up.

YOU called ME a fraud. That's a rude, cunting insult that would get you beaten into next week, if you had the cojones to ever say that to my face. You don't. But, yeah...your having said that makes me want to smack you. It's one thing to be ignorant, another to seek comfort by inventing insulting falsehoods. Frankly, where I come from, most folks would put a knife in you for that sort of crap.

You're welcome to pretend to pity me. I understand how you would feel that way when confronted with the horrible suffering of world travel, a top-drawer education, a respected position and informed opinions. Hell, I pity me, too. I cry myself to sleep at night.
Clearly, lack of self-esteem is my great problem.
It SO sucks to be me.
LOL.

You keep saying "Mind you own business."
What, exactly, is it you think ISN'T my business?
More precisely, what is it that you consider exclusively YOUR business (upon which I intrude)?
Health care? For my friends and family in America? NOT MY BUSINESS?
Get fucked, you brainless little ass stain.

Pity? Projection. I think we both know who's suffering here...and I want you to know, that only recently became pleasant. It wasn't my goal starting out...but I'm not displeased. Wear it. You earned it.

Yes Fraud, I did, and I'll again call you an uninformed Foreign Fraud.

Mind your own business asshole.

You see me whinig about you calling me a DOLT
in your very first toxic twistamonial of your superior intellect post?

Nope, because I am self assured and confident.

You?

c'mon chump, stick your knife in me.

who says this shit kind of shit online? kids?

"Frankly, where I come from, most folks would put a knife in you for that sort of crap."

You think you'd survive a face to face after all the sewage you've spewed?

You expect me to fly there HaaaaaaaHahaha.
So if I don;t I don;t have stones?

Top-drawer education ? you're fucking weird.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU5hBLysF8Y&feature=player_embedded

WHILE THESE TWO ARE GOING AT IT....

People are getting arrested at CIGNA in CHICAGO!

They are bravely going right after the insurance companies!

BRAVO!

CIGNA PROFITS, PEOPLE DIE -- MEDICARE FOR ALL!

Watch and share!

Uninformed? See citations provided (versus your lone right-wing "think tank" crap). Not to mention the distinction between your blithering horseshit and my reasoned dismissal of same.

Fraud? When you grow a pair, put your money where your mouth is, little boy. As I said, and despite your trembling fear of the truth, this is an EMPIRICAL QUESTION. It can be settled the very moment you're willing to provide verification of whatever bone fides you think you have.

Foreign? WTF? Is that what you've been reduced to?...because you're an American (allegedly), your opinion counts for more? LOL!
Suck my back bacon.

And, yeah. Where I come from, you'd be gutted like a fish for your insistent, blithering, asshole refusal to shit the fuck up in the presence of your betters.

Face to face? Now that's something you can hold against me in terms of character. Most folks would just dismiss you as a worthless stain - not worth the time or effort. Sadly, I'm the sort would take some pathetic degree of sheer satisfaction in beating you to the point your own mother (when she finishes emptying my piggy bank) wouldn't recognize you.

Yeah, junior. TOP-DRAWER education. Papers and everything. Now, I know the school of hard knocks is a hell of a teacher, but it generally doesn't get you interviews or offers. So, there's that...and, of course, on my death bed I get total enlightenment, while you get to hope your Mom earned enough quarters to buy a pine box. So, you know...I have that goin' for me.

I swear I never meant to eviscerate the kid...
Okay, I did. But that's beside the point.
I just wish someone would turn to ANY of the right wing lying fuckwits with half that "Sorry...not gonna put up with your bullshit anymore" kinda slap back.
It's a little sad that the only times we've seen righteous anger from the liberal side came agin Betsy McCaughey (truly low hanging fruit, whose paymasters ought to be exposed off the top) and from SHEP SMITH.

Where is the OUTRAGE?
Where is the "Go FUCK yourself, you lying, pocket cash piece of shit!"

If this fight is to be won, it's time to tell these ignorant, lying, backward, hateful fuckwits that they're HURTING PEOPLE.
See Jon Stewart putting Tucker Fuckwit Carlson in his place.

The time for treating them like their opinions are worth a fart in a shit storm is long past. The time for gutting them like fish is here.

Here's your payroll deducted health care, jonah, you ignorant fucktard

cousinavi- you're better than I?

What an asshole.

What the fuck do you know about things going on
here?

As much as I know about reality in Taiwan?
Your 2 dimensional view is distorted.

Mind your own fucking business ya crafty little wordsmithy cockroach.

Not to deminish this event, or the precious life of this little girl, or the behavior of thw agent ( which closely resmbles yours ) but let's be tepidly realist here in comparing systems.

The procedure was aproved, though late.
Has anyone in Canada ever died waiting for a surgery? Their wait times are documented.

Are partial birth abortions AOK with you ?

I think this is more about unbridled partisan hate for others and class envy than real desires for an improved system.

cousinavi - i'm 45. I' 210 let's roll m'f;r.

BTW, admit it. PALIN is hot.