I've been the House proceedings all morning (Im in LA) on CSPAN. Aside from a few minutes of totally pointless delay due to Republican's objecting to the fact that Democrats were talking, there haven't been too many fireworks. Iowas Steve King did spew so totally insane bullshit about how all Americans are already covered and how our system is the best at everything and there is essentially no need to fix it. What a dick....

I'm watching C-SPAN, too. Second warning to people in the gallery to basically STFU. GOPers trying to scare the crap out of everyone by saying that people will lose their jobs, illegal immigrants will pass around social security cards in order to get care, and that taxes will go up dramatically. it's pretty much SSDD

It sure is a sad sight to see so many adults in positions of power act like children.

Piss-poor role models to the nation.

I dont think I can bare to read the comments over at Crooks and Liars anymore. They're just as fucking looney as the right-wing.

"the only acceptable progressive stance is to kill this bill and start over in the spring"

Yeah ok...

The rethugs are acting like children, throwing their hissy fits. I cannot remember this type of behavior in the House (the people's house).

I have not seen folks shouting out "I object" while our represenatives are speaking.

Sucks.

Shaddagg uses a baby as a prop, telling us all what little Maddie does & doesn't want. (she doesn't want HCR) and Buyer started shouting then wouldn't shut up. And the GOPers don't seem to understand what "your time has expired" means.

I love them visual aids and props!

I was watching C-Span but I can't take it anymore.

Every single Republican that stands up says "government run healthcare oogabooga!"

VA = government run
Medicare = government run
"super awesome high risk pools" = government run

LOUD NOISES!

Watching now on C-span. Right now Way and Means Committee is up right now. Rep. Patrick Tiberi, is spewing loud noises.

Ho. Lee. Shit!

How can anyone cast a vote for these silly, immature, lying psychos?

"Ho. Lee. Shit!

How can anyone cast a vote for these silly, immature, lying psychos?" by Hielo

amazing that we seem to have a sizable portion of the population that is batshit crazy and likes these morons

They should hope there is a lot of mental health care reform in this bill as they need it so badly.

The house bill does infact cover Mental Healthcare.

Quote from ceu: "And the GOPers don't seem to understand what "your time has expired" means."

Don't get ahead of yourself. This isn't what people want. They want single payer. So when the next elections come around, they won't view this as such a great thing by the Democrats. They'll view it as yet another compromise of their human rights by government and big business, and regard politics with same, justified, level of skepticism. So the Republicans can quite easily win. It depends on their financing, and whether they can market themselves effectively on some key bullshit issues, like personality, rhetoric, and so on. The same as any other election. Pass single payer and, sure, the Democrats would be in for life. But they won't.

Quote from eve: "amazing that we seem to have a sizable portion of the population that is batshit crazy and likes these morons"

They 'like' them because they provide an answer as to why their lives are miserable. Wages are in the toilet, and working hours through the moon. You can call them morons, but their grievances are justified. The left has merely failed to provide an alternative answer, because the left - the one that is allowed express its opinion - is, substantively, the same as the right.

For instance, unionization has been repressed continually by both Democrats and Republicans. If the left was interested in educating these people, they would encourage unionization in the morning, as it has proved to be a very effective democratizing force with the population. But the last thing either side want is people knowing what's really going on. Thus, unionization is demonized, or not even on the table.

We need a lot of change in many areas, odor. But the left and the right in this country are NOT the same.

odoralwayscold: Don't get ahead of yourself.
huh? What you quoted from me referred to people continuing to speak more than a couple words AFTER the speaker has banged the gavel & said that time has expired.

Michelle Bachmann's voice makes me want to scream. And the whole lei thing? WTF?

And I read it somewhere else today, probably here, but this House "debate" really is nothing more than ads for 2010.

Kat, I was thinking the same thing about Michelle Bachman. WTF was she wearing and who gives a rats ass that two people came from Hawaii and gave her a fucking lei.

It is all exactly as I thought it would be. Like Bob would say...LOUD NOISES !!!!!

Someone needs to punch John Boehner in his mouth !!!

Second that, Willpen.

Loud noises, yes. But be fair, there're also been some shiny objects & a baby!

Oohhhh...babies!

In other news, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson has got style. That's quite a jacket.

Isn't it odd that everyone that stands up against this bill is overwhelmingly white.

Another white dude from Louisiana....oh.. and a Dr too....pfffttttt...

ceu, I'm sorry for misinterupting you.

Eve, if the left is the Democratic party (and notice I said "the left - the one that is allowed express its opinion"), and the likes of the New York Times, then it is on pretty much every issue. Poll after poll shows that both parties are massively to the right of the population on stuff like the wars, health care, unionization, the economy, international law, Israel, Iran, the state of democracy. Scholarship shows the same about mainstream leftist, intellectual opinion.

The differences are really minor, to the point where 85% of Americans, check the polls, believe that both parties are run by, and for, a few elite, private interests. Which is true.

Rep. Cole and I are looking at different polls, apparently.

What polls are Tom Cole reading???

Willpen and I are sharing a brain tonight. Right on.

LOL !!! Bread and Butter

We've been watching for about 45 minutes, and my kid just asked why we've only seen one woman with an R and no R African-American people.

Go Diana DeGette... !!!!!

Go Rosa !!!

These bastards have managed to turn this into a debate on abortion. Un-fucking-believable.....!!!

Ladies and Gentleman, fellow Cescans, I salute you. Watching Republicans on CSpan is dedication to a degree I cannot manifest.

Instead, I've been watching Mike Rowe on Dirty Jobs all day.

So I thank you all for watching and commenting here, so I can keep my sanity and still know what's going on.

Cheers!

Heir Bachmann has spoken again... UGH!!!

ditto what Klaus said

Go Jan! I wish she was still my rep. . .

I feel like setting my hair on fire..... WTF is wrong with these people... this is NOT a debate on ABORTION !!!!!

The Stupak Amendment is not acceptable. They aren't talking about not paying for abortions. They want NO federal help - subsidies or tax credits - for anyone who has a private policy that covers abortions. And, ladies & gents, I'd venture to guess that includes most of you with health insurance. Now might be a good time to contact your Congresscritter!

Willpen is right. When the fuck did this become a debate about abortion???

Tried Chris....my critter has already decided to vote against the entire bill. :(

I have emailed and called, I even know his chief of staff, to no avail. I am sad about this, however, he is much better than the previous guy. I will have to trust that others critters will vote properly. And cross fingers and toes that mine will be swayed.

Vote down Stupak Amendment... !!! YES

The slugs have been pushed back into the mud for now...

@Odor: What people want single payer? The Left people? 'Cause I would bet money that the majority of this country has no clue what single payer is and that it was ever an option. The people didn't elect congressional Dems and the president thinking that they were going to get single payer. I think whatever people you are talking about shouldn't get ahead of THEMSELVES. Sorry, but there isn't and wasn't a large enough movement for single payer to justify your comment. Sure, it's been talked about for years, but for some reason(s)it's not something that the average American talks about at the kitchen table. I started following politics 2 years ago and heard nothing of single payer until less than a year ago. In addition, most Americans are for compromise. Forget the all or nothing attitude you see from the Left or the Right.

Mr. Tan is at it again.

Boehner is touting the GOP health care plan that was used as toilet paper by the CBO. This should be classic.

The DEMOCRAT bill... they are at it again....

OOOOOOOOOOOO.. he said CZAR !!!

I don't have the cables! Somebody tell me what Diana DeGette said!! She's my rep and always makes me proud!

She said "To call the Stupak amendment a wolf in sheep's clothing would be the understatement of the year" and then proceeded to throw it down!

Oh, Mike Pence is making me all misty eyed. ...Douche.

and the award for "I cried in my Cornflakes" goes to Mike Pence.....

Nansers, I'm listening on Cspan online.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

What Jane said.. me too..

Mike Pence challenging the Blue Dogs to vote against their President. This is FRO FREEDOM!

Shorter Pence: "Don't let government intrude...TO HELP YOU!!!"

My internet connection keeps dropping - what happened with the amendment? Was it voted on? Did it fail?

Thaddeus is full of metaphor tonight....

Thaddeus McCotter just brought up skidmarks. Funny, that's usually how I think of his political party.

This is what I found on the twitters, Nano:
@JasonLeopold RT @CQHealthtweet: It's a Dem vs. Dem, DeGette says Stupak amendment "greatest restriction of woman's rt 2 choose in R careers" #hcr

Anne.. the Stupak amendment failed.

Thaddeus McCotter just called the Democratic Party the "party of the past." Guess he forgot about November and that he is in the minuscule minority.

Heh... Thaddeus.

Hey Thaddeus - YOU'RE the party of the past!

Anne - failed on voice vote, but someone called for a electronic or roll call vote. I thought it was postponed, but that might be wrong

GO New Jersey...

Boy howdy do I wish I could be there and yell "FUCK YEAH!" every once in a while. (I understand this does not follow protocol?)

George Miller just rocked!

Yes he did...but the Gentlemen from Texas is full of shit.

My connection is not so great either. It keeps cutting out.

I always loved Mr. Miller. He and Mr. Dellums....made my page time fun.

Joe Barton thinks he's in Cool Hand Luke! "What we have here is a failure to communicate." HA!!!

lol, I just reread my comment above. I do NOT mean it in that way. I forget that critters and pages have such history sometimes.

Agree with the sentiments about George Miller.

My innernets stream is finally working but my fucking head is exploding. HAVE WE HATED ON MEXICANS ENOUGH IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES?? FREEDOM MERKA YEAH!

Charlie Rangel Rocks

TPM says they have 218. Vote around 10.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/getting_close_to_a_vote.php

Jane... the Mexican hating is just about to begin...

Fuck, the fucking House looks like it needs a few Day Care helpers most times, just to point out childishness.

Jim McDermott is kicking ass

"Republican obstructionism has become one giant pre-existing condition..." - Lloyd Doggett

Nice.

No, Jane. Only "you lie" fits the protocol.

Chris, and IOKIYAR. (Important footnote.)

I like Mr. Bow Tie Bicycle Brooch Man.

Some nice Repukelican bashing going on

lieing liars

Roy Blunt's name's appropriate, eh? Cause he's smoking something.

and IOKIYAR
well, duh!

Is Roy Blunt high on something? He makes no fucking sense

Ceu.. great minds think alike..lol..

Ron Kind looks like John Boehner light.

I'd be fucking crabby to still be at work at this hour for a desk job. Especially with all the vacation time these guys enjoy. (Really, let's just work till 5:30 and get er done and enjoy the four week breaks we get, yalls!)

Which is yet another reason you have to be nuts to be a politician.

"You're on your own" = "Don't get sick, or if you do, die quickly" but with less soundbiteability

I think they should have let Ed Markey talk more.
1. He was kicking ass.
2. I dig his accent.

I feel like I'm watching high school student council election campaign speeches. Nobody's convincing anybody of anything.

Rep. Markey: "G.O.P. Grandstand, Oppose and Pretend." LOVE IT!

I just saw a schedule update about the Abortion Amendment vote at 9:30

Kat - Markey's is close to an RI accent

Willpen - yep - GMTA :)

WEINER!!!

Anthony Weiner is up..

(Really, it's embarrassing how excited I get about Weiner)

Go Brooklyn...

Everybody likes to end up with some Weiner.

Me too..

This guy is sooo New York. I love him..

Gawd, I love Weiner. I need a cigarette.

your 15 seconds is up buddy.... take a hike..

Eric Cantor.. the pseudo Jew.

Weiner was awesome as usual. What the hell was that 15 second rebuttal all about?! Uh oh. Cantor needs 5 minutes because he speaks so fucking slow. And he'c complaining about the 1990 pages! Maybe he reads as slowly as he speaks.

Cantor's dick is hard after the election results. Sorry, I mean his sense of entitlement is uhhhh, firm.

Cantor uses the same hair color I did when I was in high school.

I know. But he reduces me to childish insults.

I wish I was jewish

Yeah, Jane. Another two house seats lost. And their pet project died in NY-23.

Cantor wants to party like it's 1937.

What a major dick....

The extraordinary diversity.... that's what I like to hear.

BIYOTCH HAS VOTING PRIVILEGES NOW WoooooT

Don't mess with The Norton! She'll whack you with a broom handle!

Well Mike, I am.. and the Eric Cantors of the world embarass me.

We are about to DO this to the American people.. you ain't kidding...

What is this douche trying to do here?

Gomer Pyle is looking for a copy of the bill? It's this the same schmuck that held up the "Where's the Bill?" sign at the Joint Session?

What a douche!

Kat:

>>>>I think they should have let Ed Markey talk more.

I agree. But what the hell was the "break your toe" thing?

Who's taking odds that Boner is gonna cry?

If Boner cries his fake tan may run.

WTF is this guy trying to say... yada ... yada.. yada...

(I think my feed is a few minutes behind)
Gohmert is a douche!

Didn't they only give him a minute? What the fuck?

Is there a purpose to anything that he is saying or is it just that he goes home at night and listens to himself to get off...

I see a prop in the background. . .Goodie!

Gomer Pyle is looking for a copy of the bill? It's this the same schmuck that held up the "Where's the Bill?" sign at the Joint Session?

Heh. I was totally thinking the same thing.

The "Health Choices Czar"? What the fuck is that all about? I've been working double shifts for the last two weeks. Is this something else they pulled out of Frank Luntz's ample ass?

"The most unconstitutional thing I've ever seen in my life." - Orange Oprah

Who knew that John Boehner was born last year.

Somebody should shoot a paper clip at his face.

Orange Oprah... lol... OMG..lol.....

It looks like Boner is doing a summary of every attack they've put forward for the last two months. Here we go! Let's take a look at the fabricated flow chart!

He said the word... the dreaded word/.....HEALTH CZAR !!!!

thank you guys, again, for watching so I don't have to.

Okay, now I know he's been talking longer than 5 minutes. That was their total remaining time. WHAT. THE. FUCK?

I know he's gonna cry. I just know it. Either that or vomit the fifth of bourbon he downed in the cloak room.

Does he actually think that anyone is following this shit.

My ears are bleeding.

Goddammit, Carl. I thought seeing him cry would be the tour de farce until you mentioned vomiting. Now I'm torn. Can I has both?

Is he drunk?

The teacher just gave a time out to the class...

I think he is trying to put everyone to sleep so they can't vote... somebody put him out of his fucking misery.

I think he's banging the gavel just to keep people awake.

Is he drunk?

Always.

Or just himself, Kat.

Good of Boehner to read the super-fun parts of the bill for those in his party who couldn't take time out from their extra-curricular activities (i.e. hookers) to read the bill themselves. What a giver.

/snark (not really - the snark will be back later)

I love the occasional hand to mouth to cover his alcohol burps. Classy.

The best health care system in the world.... RIGHT !!!! The problem is that he honestly believes it.

Dim the lights of freedom.... OMFG..

NOOOOO! DON'T DIM THE FREEDOM LIGHTS!!!!

Thank FSM he's done. I was about to start taking tequila shots every time he licked his lips just to keep myself occupied.

FRO FREEDOM!

I agree. But what the hell was the "break your toe" thing?

GOP has hard hearts. If you kick them in the heart, you'll break your toe.
It probably sounded better in rehearsal.

And Boehner! He may know how to read English, but he sure as hell doesn't understand it! I can't see what's funny about figuring out best practices. And god forbid, there should be any kind of help for raising kids. Nope - no one needs any education on that 'cause everyone's doing just dandy on their own.

My damn connection keeps cutting out..

Amazing that some morons are booing Dingell. Ooh, Nancy's in her flame red dress. She makes me hot when she wears that.

It is waaaaaaaaay past some of these guys' bedtimes.

ok, I have to start watching...the nutjobs are over right?

It's done, Vera. They are now voting, first the Stupak Amendment.

I am listening to this and hearing that wall between Church and State, crumbling..

Okay, it appears that the first vote - the one coming up - will be on the Stupak Amendment, which will possibly gut the subsidies part of HCR. What it does, essentially, is not allow subsidies or tax credits to help lower income people pay for their premiums & co-pays if the insurance policies they have cover abortion. Many employer-offered policies do. It matters not if a person actually USES that benefit, only that their policy allows it.

Ceu - it also prevents insurance companies from participating in the exchange unless they strip their abortion coverage. You know, telling private companies how to run their business.

I can't believe that it passed... FUCK !!!

Help me out here. When this goes to the Senate, do they get to vote on this amendment again?

It looks like the Stupak Amendment is going to pass. A very sad day for pro-choicers. And not much pushback from Planned Parenthood or NARAL.

Jane Hamsher: And the Catholic Bishops Endorse! A Special Thank-You To Planned Parenthood and NARAL

Religion rears it's ugly head again.

Godammit. Where's the best place to find the list of Dem. reps who voted yes?

Rep. Shadegg (R-AZ) voted present. Pretty ballsy.

It'll be posted on www.house.gov

Don't know how soon they post after the vote.

Get these fake ass, right to life, Republican leaning fucking Blue Dogs and womb chasers out of the fucking Democratic party. Part of being a Democrat is keeping your nose out of my VAGINA! I hate Republican men and would like to see all of them castrated. In fact, I'd be happy to perform the procedure! Limp Dick sons of bitches! I'm only sorry their moms didn't have the choice that is available to women today!

thanks, Carl. I hadn't realized that.
Anne, i don't know if we'll know since it was electronic and not roll call. Does anyone know??

Is anybody listening to these calls on CSPAN. I can't believe how fucking clueless some of these people are. They are like parrots repeating the shit that just came out of Boehners pie hole.

Well it looks like Boehner can kiss his amendment goodbye.

Just shoved Boner's amendment back up his ass! YES!

Hell No! 258-176! The Republican piece of hosre shit of a bill has been flushed!

Why are people surprised Stupak passed? Are the Democrats somehow immune to corporate lobbying? The vast majority of citizens want real health care reform, but they're not represented in the House and Senate. The health insurance industry is.

You want REAL change? Do something to end this oligarchic system.

Ironic, given all the disruptive town hall events, that Cantor wants quiet before he can speak.

oh god. Tort reform. They don't need tort reform - they need malpractice insurance premium reform!

Eric Cantor can shove tort reform up his ass.

They are like children. When they get beaten down on one thing they just come back with something else. They are like children holding their breathe.

Oh how nice. Rep from Florida waxing poetic about how wonderful government administered health care. Do they not see the irony?

is that bachmann sitting behind this guy talking? she is staring like a lunatic.

We're not surprised, Doc. We're disgusted.

If you though you were pissed before, this will make your blood boil.

I see Rep. Maxine Waters behind Rep. Hoyer. Love her!

From GottaLaff's Twitter: Tim Johnson was the lone Republican vote against Orangina's substitute.

Off to Google Tim Johnson.

The joint is getting rowdy...

The are such a bunch of disruptive bastards.

Why would ANY F*ING Dem vote yea to recommit?

Roll call on the Stupak vote:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll884.xml

It doesnt' matter that Stupak's bill passed. It won't make it into the final bill. I'm assuming the liberals and progressives will strip it out and when those same womb obsessed Democrats vote against the the final bill it won't matter because final passage only requires 50 votes plus Joe Biden to break the tie.

Jason Altmire voted for Stupack!

Thank you Rox... you just talked me off of my ledge.

There are 10 dem turncoats that voted yes on this motion.

is that bachmann sitting behind this guy talking?
Bachmann's hard to miss, Matt. She's wearing a lei!

Sorry Rox. The final legislation has to pass both houses again. This just gets it to conference committee with the Senate. They hash out the final bill and then it gets voted on by both houses again. If it passes then it will go to the presidents desk.

Thanks for the site, doc.
CT's delegation was NAY across the board. :)

Here it comes...

Bob,

Please tell me why you think the Stupak amendment is a bad thing.

And doesn't the guy talking on CSPAN sound like Dan Patrick? or is that just me?

OMG - they're voting on the final bill! Here we go. . .

The final moment is here. This is very historic folks. Something to tell our grandchildren about.

Not just you, veralynn.

212

thanks Kat :)

I have the urge to look up....when you are on the floor, the wall behind the speakers dais has all the names and the yea and nay votes. Goddamn I love the chamber.

215

Keep in mind that what passes tonight is still only a preliminary bill

218!!!

just 2 more votes.

And it passes. Right the fuck on.

So nice to know that my jackass representative (who walks around with a D by his name) voted against it.

Dear Pooper,

Please ram it up your poop chute.

xoxo,

Jane

And it passes!

And... Party Pooper...the answer to that is pretty obvious, quit trolling.

YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Kat: Who is your rep?

one dem hasn't voted and one repub voted yea

A Republican vote? Can someone who is smarter than me find out who?

Does this mean we're socialists now? Oh NOOOOOES!

220-215

Who is the rethug who voted yea?

Mike H: Mike McIntyre (Douchebag - NC)

Kat, from TPM

Late Update: Rep. Tim Johnson (R-IL) was the sole Republican to vote against the Boehner bill. No one seem really clear as to what his reasoning was. As I noted below, Rep. Cao (R-LA) is the only member of the Republican caucus believed to be in play. And he voted for it, though in a high stakes case like this it would not be surprising to see him vote for both.

Kat keep checking here:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/index.asp

I bet Michelle Bachmans lei has wilted...

C-Span just told me - Joseph Cao from LA.

that's alright will, she has voodoo to fix that

Willpen: I bet Orangina's boner has wilted.

This is just the first hurdle. We must stay diligent. They are gonna come out fighting like caged animals now.

@Kat....lol....

I am going to be catty and just say it...I don't think that dress is flattering. at all.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It will be a tough fight in the Senate

The republican all look like someone peed in their cherios.

Obama is smart... he is in hiding at Camp David...

39 Dems voting nay shows we need to mantain a large margin to pass anything. They D I S G U S T me.

So, wait, I'm not getting free abortions now? -- KILL THE BILL! ARGH! NOISES! DIABETES!

As I said, final passage doesnt' have to be voted on by the Democrats who voted for Stupak's amendment. Now, it would take 60 votes by the Dems to kill the entire bill but, it wouldn't take 60 votes to strip out the Stupak amendment because the Republicans who voted for Stupak's amendment won't be voting yes on the final bill so, what you'll have is some 55 House members voting against the rest of the House Democrats and the Democratic Senators. Get it?

Jane, Blow me.

JM, I am serious when i ask my question. It's not obvious to me. Explain it.

Thanks Rox.

Thanks for a fun night everyone!

Poopster, I willingly blow those whose statements are witty. It's a blessing, not a curse.

New thread if you need it.

I am outta here too. The Sunday shows should prove to be veryyyy interesting.

What I'm saying to 'Veralynn is that the Republicans that voted for the Stupak amendment won't be voting yes on the final bills that get merged between the Senate and the House. If those 50 or so Blue Dogs or womb chasers vote against the final bill it won't matter because they're outnumbered. This is similar to what that douchebag Lieberman has said he'd do. Vote for the bill to get to the floor and then vote against it where only 51 votes will be required. Got it?

Jane, I asked a serious question, and as yet, have not received a serious response. If you believe I am against health care reform; if that was the reason for your statement, then you couldn't be more wrong, and there are a few people here who would vouch for me.

I'm glad the bill passed, but it isn't close to enough. I won't stop fighting until Single Payer is our way of life for healthcare. It's the only way reform can work. What we have now will end up hurting many people, and we'll be bailing out health insurers every year. I fear that this Public option will end up being a hurle to that, not a stepping stone.

We'll see.

It was fun to hang out with y'all tonight. Reminds me of *sniff* the PTT. G'night!

Don't forget that Rachel Maddow will be on Meet The Press tomorrow. I can't stand that clown David Gregory but, whenever Rachel is on it's a much better show.

From Pooper's blog:

"Things are really getting interesting with the healthcare reform debate. I’m a single-payer advocate, but I guess, with only a super-majority in the Senate and House, the Democrats thought that drafting legislation which reflects their core beliefs was just too risky."

Ha! Brilliant :)

Doc, shhhh...
They think I'm a troll :D

Good Night All! And sleep well! We may not like the bill completely in it's current form but, we won a big victory against the Republican asswipe party tonight. And my sister and I are drinking champagne. CHEERS!

Hey Poopster, I wasn't really reacting at all to your question to Bob tonight, nor doubting your commitment to health care reform.

It was more a general raspberry for your comments about the fucking Brown People sympathizers from the other night. Sorry, I should preface my insults rather than just hurl them. I really am just a bit lazy.

f those 50 or so Blue Dogs or womb chasers vote against the final bill it won't matter because they're outnumbered.

No, they're not. If the final bill in the House has 40 Dems (the Blue Dogs you referenced) voting with the GOPers, the bill FAILS.

Ok Jane.

I apologize for issuing you the biggest challenge of your life when I told you to blow me. And, I'm not a brown people hater, just a terrorist hater. But I can't make a comment about a brown terrorist without being called a racist. It's pathetic. I've seen first hand what religious zealotry is capable of; I've seen first hand how predators slaughter the weak.

I was made to kill those predators, it's in my blood. I wont apologize for it, and i won't change. I hate terrorists and I don't care what color they are. I hate their reasons, and I hate their "logic". If it is their religion that drives them, then I hate that, too. If that's racism, so be it.

So Stupak will be in it? If that's the case, sap on DailyKos makes a good point.

"and all we had to do was totally sell out women.

like always."

Shit, Pooper, hate away on the terrorists, especially the brown ones, if it makes you happy. All we "Osama-lovers" ask is that you try to refrain from prejudgment, as in the case of the Ft. Hood guy, who was actually raised Muslim (and Amerkin), before you worry that we aren't doing enough in the GSAVE or whatever clever name our military industrial marketing department has settled on lately. Did you read Mr. Brink's comment last night? It was quite eloquent. Hell, just take a page from Batshit Bachmann, and wait until you see the whites of their eyes before shooting (off your mouth), perhaps you will find that there is no enemy there after all.

If it is their religion that drives them, then I hate that, too.

Hilarious coming from a follower of the Sky Man who wants you to stone adulterers, gays and eaters of shellfish.

>>Hilarious coming from a follower of the Sky Man who wants you to stone adulterers, gays and eaters of shellfish.

Also, brown people, apparently.

PPP said:

I've seen first hand what religious zealotry is capable of; I've seen first hand how predators slaughter the weak.

Yeah, you saw it firsthand in the US military. I believe that's what you would call the "Christian Superiority Complex" you mocked Mr. Brink for bringing up.

I was made to kill those predators, it's in my blood. I wont apologize for it, and i won't change.

Ah, good ol' stubborn macho bravado. Where have I seen that before?

To answer PPP's question even though I'm not Bob, the reason the Stupak amendment is a bad thing is because federal abortion funding is already illegal under the Hyde Amendment. The Stupak Amendment makes any insurance company that wants to become part of the exchange strip coverage for abortions from their plan, even though they are a private company. You know all the crap about Republicans whining that Democrats want to tell companies how to do business? Well, they're doing exactly that with this amendment.

So, if a woman "likes her health care and gets to keep it" but her insurance company wants to be part of the exchange to increase their customer base, they'd have to stop covering abortions, legal medical procedures. It may not be a problem for that particular woman, but it will certainly be an issue for many others.

Adding... trying to reduce the number of abortions are a good thing. This is the wrong way to go about it. And all this came up because of religious beliefs, not legislative reasons.