Quote of the Day

Bill Clinton on the success of Republican economic philosophy. Or a lack thereof.

You know, there’s not a single solitary example on the planet, not one, of a country that is succesful because the economy has triumphed over the government and choked it off and driven the tax rates to zero, driven the regulations to nonexistent and abolished all government programs, except for defense, so people in my income group never have to pay a nickel to see a cow jump over the moon. There is no example example of a succesful country that looks like that.

Every Ayn-Rand worshiping Libertarian ought to be asked every single time they step up to the podium to provide an example of a successful libertarian country. There isn't one and never will be.

I would ask the same of on-the-fence independents who seem to think the Republicans might have an idea or two worth trying despite the complete lack of evidence to support their policies.

  • http://twitter.com/groobiecat Groobiecat

    Missed this post originally, for hell yes, and a-f*cking-men. The left is great at this kind of obvious/intuitive analysis and conclusion. But, as Bob pointed out in his latest HuffPo piece, “the Republican marketing machine is strikingly powerful.” So, how to get this message, as simple as it is, to become a political meme of sorts? The trick would seem to be repeat….repeat….repeat….repeat….in every medium possible.

    I really would love to see all these “separate blogs” (including my own) be used as a rapid messaging/rapid response delta strike force collaborating to spit this stuff out consistently, rather than a thousand blooming flowers, all in different colors. We still aren’t organized. There should be some sort of “Rovian” consolidator of consolidators for creating a crowd-sourced meme. I’d join up in a second.

  • Nono_Yobiz

    Not entirely true. Usually they’ll blather on about medieval Iceland and Ireland. Iceland when it was populated by about 4,000 kinsmen, and Ireland when it had an active slave trade and used female slaves as a unit of currency. And then if you bring any of that up they’ll accuse you of being a mentally damaged Statist.

    • http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com/ IrishGrrrl

      It figures they WOULD cite a society that used slaves….because people don’t matter. Money and how it works in the Market is all that matters. People are either winners or losers in the Market.

      BTW, what time period are you (or they) referring to in Ireland’s history? Back when they were Celtic, women had equal rights.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Janes/607039439 Rick Janes

      John, if I’m not mistaken, weren’t those ancient societies you mentioned monarchies, especially Ireland under Brian Boru? I thought Libertarians were against monarchy.

  • http://twitter.com/Nanotyrnns Gearóid O’Tuathal

    The one hard core libertarian I know would just reply that the economic policy they gush over has never been applied properly. If it was just given a chance and done right, we would all see just how awesome it is. What follows is usually homework. “Go look up blah blah blah and you’ll see how it worked blah blah blah”
    Remember: They believe that this is hard science (which I believe allows them to completely ignore the fact they they are dealing with people’s lives, not just hard mathematics) and that mere mortals like you and I shouldn’t interfere.

    • anuran

      Funny, that’s EXACTLY what hard-core Communists used to say about Communism

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Janes/607039439 Rick Janes

        And what Christians have babbled about Christianity –‘ if only we had a pure Christian theocracy all of our problems would be taken care of by Jesus.’ Sadly, some Americans actually believe this rot.

    • anuran

      If it were “hard science” they’d have real data, real predictive power and the willingness to change their beliefs if the data did not support them.

      Libertarianism is a religion pure and simple. “La illaha il Dollar”. There is no God but Dollar.

      • http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com/ IrishGrrrl

        Actually read something on another blog about how Libertarianism has become tied to Christianism in the U.S. It was called “The Invisible Hand of Jesus”….basically saying that they believe the “unseen” force of the market to be God. So, yes, libertarianism is a faith because science doesn’t support it at all and they actually “believe” their own bullshit.

        Here’s the link to the blog….http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/09/21/the-invisible-hand-of-jesus/

  • mrbrink

    For what it’s worth, I’d like to see Bill Clinton throwing in more often.

    He talks good.

    Elizabeth Warren has been throwing down with whoa, I don’t know what. Holy cow.

    As a fellow human being, I’m so proud of her.

    • mrbrink

      Also, don’t think for a second Wingnuts aren’t quaking in their Hitler youth boots after this video.

      They playin’ it as far away as Mobil!

      • http://twitter.com/groobiecat Groobiecat

        As for Mr. Brink, absolutely right. Send that stuff out; post it repeatedly. I’ve posted that video twice on my blog already. Need to send that puppy viral…

    • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole

      She is a mensch. A brilliant mensch. I sure hope she gets elected.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Janes/607039439 Rick Janes

      I think she may be president in 2016 the way she’s going. To paraphrase John Cage: ‘She’s got something to say and she’s saying it.’ It was only about a month ago that the Beltway bell-clappers were saying Scott Brown was so gol-durn popular in MA the Dems didn’t have a chance of unseating him. Now, populist firebrand Warren is ahead of GOP dimbulb Brown 46 to 44 after only a week of campaigning. I hope the message sinks in with the rest of the Dems: Truman-style ‘give ‘em hell’ populism works.

  • D_C_Wilson

    A few months ago, I actually encountered a libertarian who told me Somalia wasn’t libertarian enough.

    No kidding.

    • muselet

      Somalia? Seriously? Somalia is strangled by burdensome regulation and big-government restrictions on personal freedoms?

      The mind, he boggles.


    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Janes/607039439 Rick Janes

      Remember that line about a liberal is a conservative who has been arrested and a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged? You might add that a Libertarian is an ideologue who has never been hijacked by Somali pirates at gunpoint.

  • JMKirker

    and they will hit you back with the always classic, “only because it hasn’t been tried yet.”

  • http://twitter.com/themattmcd Matt McDaniel

    Wasn’t that what post-invasion Iraq was supposed to be? How’d that work out again?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Janes/607039439 Rick Janes

      The US Provisional Government in Iraq provided such ‘socialist’ services as free public education and universal health care to the Iraqis. Of course, because the programs were executed by Bush appointees on the take, they didn’t work as well as they should have, but that was the design — give the Iraqis new schools and health care while denying it for the folks at home. A similar situation is in play in Afghanistan.