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No Shit? Gun Group Finds Arming Cartoonists Wouldn’t Help Much

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It may seem insane, because it is insane, but in the wake of the attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo in France, some gun fetishists protested that the cartoonists should have been armed.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, right?

The bad news is a group in Texas thought it would be classy to simulate the Charlie Hebdo attack. The good news is they discredited their own cause.

Only two of the 12 volunteers were able to take out one of the two gunmen in the simulations, according to KTVT. The only volunteer who survived the simulation ran away from the scene. […]

“Suffice it to say, things did not go well for the faux victims when a single armed defender faced a two-person terrorist team armed with rifles,” Farago wrote.

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Time and time again, the armed civilian “dies” – shot by a round that marks him or her with paint. […]

Twelve volunteers participated in the exercise. Only one survived after running away. No one was able to take out both shooters.

12 armed civilians who have no training and no experience weren’t able to take out two trained gunmen?

This trial was conducted in a controlled environment and the armed civilians knew what was going to happen. In a real world setting, the outcome could have been even worse. Worst yet, in a real world setting the untrained and inexperienced armed civilians could accidentally shoot each other in a crossfire.

I doubt the gun fetishist response will be to back down from their call to arm everyone. I imagine their response will be to call for boot camp training for everyone.

  • John Frum

    Be nice! If they’re showing signs they’re ready for rational thought based on empirical evidence, we should be careful not to give them anxieties. Who’s a big boy who went thinky all by himself!

  • bphoon

    My casual observation is that many if not most accidental shootings happen when an untrained/inexperienced civilian buys a gun, loads it and throws it into a drawer thinking, “There. I’m safe now.’ Sure, right up until the time junior decides to show off Dad’s gun to his buddies.

    I believe it is incumbent on any gun owner–particularly one who decides that carrying is a good idea–to invest in viable initial as well as on-going training to the maximum extent possible. While not everyone can take a couple of weeks off and spend $3K+ for an intensive training program, there are plenty of ranges at which to practice, organizations such as the International Defensive Pistol Association who sponsor training and competition events as well as a plethora of books and videos on the market covering everything from buying the right firearm to formulating a home defense plan to the legalities surrounding use of deadly force. Even so, that’s no guarantee that you’ll react effectively or even appropriately when faced with an immediate action, life threatening situation. Keep in mind that even highly trained members of law enforcement or the military, when faced with a sudden, close quarters combat situation miss more often than they hit.

    I believe in the right to defend oneself from an immediate threat. I don’t believe that simply arming anyone and everyone in and of itself makes us safer. Believe me, I wouldn’t trust the standard hoople-head that I run into around here with a firearm.

  • bphoon

    My casual observation is that many if not most accidental shootings happen when an untrained/inexperienced civilian buys a gun, loads it and throws it into a drawer thinking, “There. I’m safe now.’ Sure, right up until the time junior decides to show off Dad’s gun to his buddies.

    I believe it is incumbent on any gun owner–particularly one who decides that carrying is a good idea–to invest in viable initial as well as on-going training to the maximum extent possible. While not everyone can take a couple of weeks off and spend $3K+ for an intensive training program, there are plenty of ranges at which to practice, organizations such as the International Defensive Pistol Association who sponsor training and competition events as well as a plethora of books and videos on the market covering everything from buying the right firearm to formulating a home defense plan to the legalities surrounding use of deadly force. Even so, that’s no guarantee that you’ll react effectively or even appropriately when faced with an immediate action, life threatening situation. Keep in mind that even highly trained members of law enforcement or the military, when faced with a sudden, close quarters combat situation miss more often than they hit.

    I believe in the right to defend oneself from an immediate threat. I don’t believe that simply arming anyone and everyone in and of itself makes us safer. Believe me, I wouldn’t trust the standard hoople-head that I run into around here with a firearm.

    • j hentai

      “hoople-head” is an insult sadly underused these days, despite the wonderful Deadwood.

  • muselet

    I imagine their response will be to call for boot camp training for everyone.

    “Yew dunno howta shoot? Yew gonna run away from a active shooter sitchyashun? Damn, boy, yew deserve ta die, yew cain’t pertec’ yerself ‘n’ others! Un-Murcan hippie freak!”

    –alopecia

  • Christopher Foxx

    The only volunteer who survived the simulation ran away from the scene.

    “The only winning move is not to play.”

    “Suffice it to say, things did not go well for the faux victims when a single armed defender faced a two-person terrorist team armed with rifles,” Farago wrote.

    Well, clearly, the problem is that only one of the victims was armed.

    (You know the gun fetishists’ response to this will be that the only thing stopping two bad guys with guns is two good guys with guns. Because fewer guns is never the answer, MORE guns always is.)

  • Yet another demonstration of reality, which the gun nuts won’t accept.

  • gescove

    They should have listened to that school principal and been armed with cans of corn. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy hurling canned goods.

    • JMAshby

      Nailed it.