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RELM_buttonHorse In A Hospital -- NSFW; It's a special Monday show to discuss the Barr Report about the Mueller Report; The unanswered questions; The potential cover up; Trump's lack of response to the ongoing Russian attack; What's next for Trump; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; With music by Michael McDermott; and so much more.

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  • katanahamon

    Can you imagine if Pres Obama’s White House sent out a memo to “tv producers” listing those ppl the Pres didn’t want them to use as guests? This issue isn’t even breaking the bubble of outrage today..where is the right wing “snowflake” outrage? Jeez..I’m so sick of this..

  • rogerfsimon

    The right’s hypocrisy & hysterical racism has, as of today, reached hilarious new heights! The “argument”: There are no criminal charges against Drumph, so he’s been exonerated, but the dropping of criminal charges against a black man doesn’t exonerate the black man–he’s still guilty, no matter what! Best of all, it’s doubtful that dim bulbs like creepy Cucker Tarlson even have the brains to understand their own hypocrisy. What a bunch of sad losers!

  • Don P

    “Look, I’m totally vindicated, ok?”

    – A truck gets hijacked
    – Your son meets with the hijackers
    – Your campaign manager gives the hijackers directions to your house
    – You get on TV and say “I love me some truck hijacking, and wouldn’t it be a shame if that particular truck got hijacked???”
    – The hijacked truck’s merchandise somehow shows up in your house
    – The DA, who you picked, and as a prerequisite for the job expressed opinions why you CAN’t be indicted, writes a report saying “Well, I can’t clear him, but I just don’t have enough to charge him, so whatcha gonna do?”. By the way, this DA has a track record of covering up Presidential crimes before (Iran – Contra).

    But other than that nothing looks suspicious. At all.

    – some of that is stolen from *ugh* David Frum *ugh*, but it is kind of mind boggling when you lay it all out

  • Badgerite

    David Brooks is always David Brooks. Why anyone listens to him is beyond me but he is the perfect example of the ridiculous attitude that any crap the gop does is fine. Correct me if I am wrong but is there any time other than under threat of a defamation lawsuit that anyone in or associated with the gop has “apologized” for anything including calling Hillary Clinton a murderer, a pedophile running a child sex ring in a pizza basement that doesn’t exist, someone who should be jailed for using a private email server under the espionage act when they could actually find all of 3 rather innocuous emails that were sent via email that had a “c” for confidential marking on them. Alex Jones was required by law to apologize and retract his defamatory statements about the Chobani Yogurt company but has yet to apologize or retract his statements claiming the Sandy Hook children didn’t actually exist. That lawsuit is still ongoing.
    What do you call what Russia did in the 2016 election? Just a little innocuous cheating? Russia hacked the voter rolls in 29 of our 50 states. Russia, in their efforts to help trump, broke any number of US laws. And trump had them in the Oval Office right after he fired Comey. He has attacked all of our friends and allies and practically kissed Putin’s ass so much that must be permanent markings there by now. I think it has only been an ‘abundance of caution’ that kept trump from inviting Putin visit put his feet on the desk in the Oval Office. He came back from Helsinki and literally put out feelers for turning over to Putin the former American Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and a current British citizen Bill Browder for ‘questioning’. McFaul might have made it back alive. Bill Browder would certainly not have. After what Putin did during the 2016 election, after Helsinki trump actually proposed that the Russian GRU, cyber branch of Russian intelligence should have access to and work in concert with our own intelligence services. He proposed the same right after the election. Of course, those proposals were shot down. There would be a revolt in the intelligence services and even the gop on that one. Of course, he’s a traitor. Just because he insulated himself enough not to be prosecuted for it does not mean he isn’t what was alleged. His campaign most assuredly knew of, counted on and bargained with Putin for their help in tipping those 70,000 votes in 3 states that got him the electoral college in spite of the 3 million vote deficit in his vote totals compared to Hillary Clinton’s.
    Let me ask Brooks a question. When does Putin and the gop plan to apologize to Hillary Clinton for the completely untrue bullshit and dangerous smears they made against her. They weren’t even allegations. They were just flat out lies and smears. Another question. I thought there were “no contacts” with the Russians. That that was just a “ridiculous contention”. How did that go from “no contacts whatsoever” to “but you can’t prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we actually participated in the crime the we were well aware of and knew we would benefit from as Russian intelligence attacked our voting rolls and our social media to elect me.”? How is firing all the people in the intelligence services well versed in the Russian mob and their activities in the US, designed to benefit the US? How does attacking all of our allies including Canada and especially NATO benefit the US? What do you call someone who knew of, and bargained for help from a hostile foreign power that was attacking our democratic process? What did Judge Sullivan say about the many redacted activities of Michael Flynn that led him to call “Lock her Up) Flynn a traitor? trump tried to install Flynn in a position that would have overseen all of our intelligence agencies. How do you square that? And when Flynn was removed, Putin, the Kremlin was clearly disappointed. Of course he’s an ffffing traitor. Or did none of these things happen? Well, they did. They are a matter of record. And Brooks can shut his worthless yap.

  • katanahamon

    Next step, Barr will redact anything negative in the Mueller report, so, once again, Dems screwed.

    • Badgerite

      Country screwed. In actual fact, trump voters screwed. It’s been a long time since we saw farm bankruptcies like are occurring now. And the deficit is soaring at record levels. Primarily because the gop is spending a lot of money on pointless shit that cannot secure the future for anyone but themselves and their own power and whopping tax cuts on their real base, the ultra rich. The farm subsidies, which are minimally effective at best will not be there forever. Global warming is real. We are feeling the effects of it already. The gop will not only do nothing, they will and are making it worse. They are aiming to either through the courts or the executive and Congress throw the health care system into pointless chaos and deprive millions of Americans, men, women, children, of access to vital health care. Go ahead. Tell a new born that the health care that can keep him alive is a “privilege” and not the child’s right as a human being. Make my day.

    • Don P

      Something else to look for in the next 6 months: a string of preemptive pardons.

  • katanahamon

    Guardian..”now that this distraction is out of the way”……

  • mnpollio

    I had posted much of this in last week’s podcast, but it should actually go here to make more sense.

    I have been cautious about putting too much faith in Mueller from the start, but too many kept acting like I was being too cynical. There seems to be this meme that if a Democrat needs to be investigated, then only a Republican can head the investigation because Democrats will cover it up. If a Republican needs to be investigated, then only a Republican can handle the investigation because the Democrats cannot be trusted to be fair. At no point is a Democrat ever allowed to lead the investigation and (stupidly) the Democrats go along with this bilge inthe spirit of fair play and bipartisanship. So I thought everyone casually agreeing that placing life-long Republican (and Bush flunkie) Mueller in charge was such a great development was naivete in the extreme. Coupled with the fact that the mainstream media and too many
    silly Democrats were endowing this guy with such gifts as to seem thatthey were deifying him – it stunk of the same kind of fawning coveragethat David Petreaus received when he was going to give us his “unbiasedviews on the Bush strategy in the Middle East” that were a foregoneconclusion before he opened his mouth. I was afraid we would end up with Mueller dragging this out and then just giving Trump and his cronies a pass at the end – and that is exactly what happened.

    I work in two law offices and even the conservative leaning attorneys are astounded that Mueller could not decisively go after Trump on obstruction charges in what should have been a slam dunk based on his
    public statements alone. It literally took Mueller two years to cough up a shoddy cover-up for Trump and then claim he is uncertain about the obstruction – oh, but he did not “exonerate him” which gives Mueller
    some cover if the truth comes out later. So Mueller claims no collusion, but yet he cannot seemingly explain why Trump and his inner circle were cavorting so frequently with the Russians, why they repeatedly lied about their meetings, and why when caught out they lied even further. None of this is the behavior of innocent people and Mueller looking the other way on all of it is telling in the extreme.

    And I know there are pundits bending over backwards giving Mueller a pass on this and trying to find the rose in the cesspool, but let’s face it. Trump and his cronies in the White House were high-fiving each other over this nonsense and now that he is emboldened beyond belief, expect thefollowing to happen:

    1) He will enact the most draconian punishments on all and sundry that he sees as enemies. If you thought
    he was bad before, just wait now that Mueller has given him a pass and the go ahead.

    2) The Republicans will proceed full steam ahead on destroying the social safety net, separating families and caging children, trampling on anyone who tried to hold Trump and them accountable, vilifying minorities and trying to incite violence against them, packing the courts with flunkies that will rubber stamp anything they do, and undermining both journalism and the US intelligence service. And let’s be honest, Mueller’s “findings” were most definitely a slap in the face of the intel community.

    3) Enough Democrats will weaken and fold, led by the returning-to-form Nancy Pelosi (who returned her spine to the closet after some strong initial stands against Trump), who will now take on the same role she did under Bush/Cheney – wringing her hands from the sidelines and doing nothing to hold the Republicans accountable. Expect lots of speechifying from her in the future using such great golden oldies as “doing what is good for the country”, “looking forward and not backward” and reminding us that the only option is to vote the Republicans out in 2020, but in order to do that she really, really needs your money! Lots and lots of money!

    I was kind of curious to see what Buzz Burbank has to say now. Despite my reservations, his continued passion (foolish as it turned out to be) about Mueller “being three steps ahead of Trump”, “playing
    three-dimensional chess”, and “knowing so much more than any of the rest of us” [not exactly true since at least the preliminary overview of the findings that the press is running with show a fairly incomplete and undetailed analysis with gaping holes; I am uncertain even the full report will address those if we ever see it and, if not, then it is an embarrassment that any seasoned investigator should be ashamed of] darn near won me over or at least aroused some snippet of hope. Given the scope and breadth of everything of which we are aware, we should NOT be satisfied solely over the indictments of Manafort, Flynn and Cohen, and a gaggle of Russians that will never be within reach of US justice, and we need to admit that we got bamboozled yet again by another “very serious” Republican who was more than willing to sell out to cover for his party of choice. I think Mueller pulled his punches here and it shows.

    Plus a few months back when the judge was going to sentence Flynn (and was surprised he was not under more serious charges) and bucked the velvet glove treatment that Mueller was recommending and was getting ready to throw the book at him, Mueller’s team rushed in to buy Flynn a reprieve because he purportedly had so much more to contribute to their investigation with his ongoing cooperation. You only make velvet glove deals and run interference if there are bigger fish to fry – so who were these bigger fish if no further indictments are coming from the Mueller investigation? Or was this just Mueller throwing another Republican a lifeline?

    Unlike too many, I am not cutting Mueller any slack on this debacle. If the future gives me evidence to rethink that stance, I will do so but in the interim I am not giving him made-up coverage for a job half-assed-done. The moral of the story is never trust a Republican, no matter how reasonable seeming they try to make you think they are. In fact, be more scared when they camouflage their soullessness and avarice behind a facade of faux trustworthiness (e.g., Robert Mueller and Mike Pence).

    • Badgerite

      Well, the Flynn sentencing issue is something I can’t explain. What is redacted must be quite damning indeed.
      So why was Mueller alright with nothing more than a slap on the wrist? One could say because Flynn gave him crucial information that we are not privy to but who knows. Given what the judge says, it is rather suspicious though. The gop has already turned to form. See the budget proposal that came out at least a week ago.
      It is the usual cut everything that benefits actual people endeavor. Of course you need to go to the polls and vote blue no matter who in 2020.
      Anything else will just get you more of this. Clear? Haven’t you had enough yet, for God’s sake.
      What did people such as myself tell you in 2016? Did you listen? How’d that work out for you?
      Did you sit at home because you were just tooooo “morally pure” to engage in practical politics?
      Then look in the God damned mirror before you start blaming anyone but yourself.

  • Stephen Kimmell

    What don’t people understand about “not exonerated.” Barr was not touched by the Democrats in his confirmation hearings. They must do much, much better once they get him to testify. Don’t forget the long, wacky, unsolicited memo Barr wrote before he was even nominated which, in effect, found Trump not guilty months ago The memo was not barely if at all covered at the confirmation hearings. And Buzz, quit worrying about the Republican’s “club” they will use on us and also, it’s not a “political defeat.” Fight back for chrissakes.

    • Badgerite

      Why do you think trump was touting the gop holding the Senate as a great victory. It meant he could continue to pack the courts and most especially that he could confirm a partisan like Barr who sole purpose is to bury the results of the Mueller report and keep it from the public. Probably this extends to pardon’s issued later if they can get away with it. trump thought it was a great victory even though they lost 40 seats in the House because he doesn’t give a real crap about anything but himself. And the Senate confirmation process was essential to him putting Barr in as AG and Barr has a track record in that regard that should have given anyone who wants genuine accountability in government pause. The gop, of course, wants anything but.

  • katanahamon

    Unless the actual report is submitted, this will go down as one of the most embarrassing failures of our democracy. Even if it is, Mueller is proving to be the career Republican I thought he was. The bullshit is being institutionalized and formalized. What a disappointment. The Republicans have only reinforced their image as partisan power mongers, willing to break the system in order to fuel their perverted desires. It’s time to expose their lies.

  • Badgerite

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Look at that picture at the top and the picture of trump and Lavrov and Kislyak in the Oval Office the day after trump fired Comey. Says it all, really.

  • Aynwrong

    I suspected that the Mueller Barr report might be the equivalent of the he Duelfer Report. A useless document that produces no political consequences for the guilty parties. I suppose I could still be proven wrong, but I’m in a cynical mood.

    • Badgerite

      Well, you have to understand, Mueller is a Republican appointed by a Republican, Rod Rosenstien. Why did that happen in the first place? Presumably a Republican would be the last person to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate trump. At least that is the way it is portrayed. As some partisan issue. It happened because of how trump fired James Comey, a Republican, after he tried to pressure Comey to not investigate or prosecute Flynn, who had been appointed Director of National Intelligence and thus in charge of all our intelligence agencies and Flynn had been lying up his Kazoo about contacts he had with the Russians when the gop was well aware because they had been briefed of all the hacking and funneled money and propaganda that Russian intelligence had engaged in to help trump and the gop win in 2016. And it happened after trump the very next day at the request of Putin had Lavrov and Kislyak into the Oval Office for a laugh it up episode that was not reported to the press by trump or his people. The Russian press was there. Not the American press. And during this meeting trump literally told them that having fired Comey the pressure was off. He said this to the Russian Ambassador and Lavrov, both intelligence assets of the Russian mob government. He also divulged to the Russians the existence and location of an Israeli intelligence asset in ISIS thus burning that asset and putting that asset at serious risk. This came to the attention of the public through leaks, of course. Why so many leaks? I’ll tell you why. Because the gop themselves had concerns about these very issues and they did something responsible for a change. They appointed Mueller as Special Counsel. They don’t mind cheating to win. They do it all the time. Look at North Carolina for God’s sake and Georgia. They clearly don’t mind accepting Russian or other foreign help to cheat to win or they would have rejected trump early on. Heck, McConnell was counting on it. (see Merrick Garland) But the Russian mob and Russian intelligence are hostile actors and a real threat and they know it. Thank God. Putin has gotten a lot of what he wanted but not all of what he wanted. There has been some limit on that. After Helsinki, it was apparent that the gop would only go so far on that score. Again, thank God. The gop has gotten from him pretty much everything they wanted. I think they believe that the threat is somewhat neutralized. At least to their own satisfaction which, in terms of the security of our elections, is very……lax. There is a reason that they would not allow Mueller to be fired by trump. And it is because they themselves needed reassurance that they could control trump and keep him from doing all of Putin’s bidding. They don’t want Putin running the world. They want to do that themselves. But they want to keep trump in power and their own base bamboozled and angry about nothing. And they have to deal with an unhinged A hole like trump. Putin has his handlers for trump, the gop have theirs. Attacking Mueller and our own intelligence community is part of that, I think. In the end, I’m sure Mueller prosecuted all that could be prosecuted to the standards required for criminal convictions. He did not make the decision to prosecute close calls. The more important aspect of this investigation, I think, was in all of the redacted material that will probably never see the light of day.
      The gop has always been willing to burn the US intelligence community to political gain. Right after 9/11 it was the intelligence community they blamed. It was years later that the PDB of August to Bush saw the light of day. After he had been safely re-elected. The intelligence community got blamed for Iraq. They were not to blame for Iraq.
      Bush and Cheney were to blame for Iraq. The gop has played this cynical game for a long time.
      It would be nice if the left got an actual clue. I’m not holding my breath though.
      What one can say is that Mueller did his duty for his country to the best of his ability under extraordinarily difficult circumstances. He deserves our thanks.

      • mnpollio

        A Republican was chosen to lead the investigation because there is a nonsense outlook that is accepted in Washington and the Beltway that if a Democrat is under investigation, then it must be led by a Republican because you cannot trust the Democrats to police their own. If a Republican is under investigation, then the investigation must be led by a Republican because the Democrats won’t treat them fairly. And every time the Democrats stupidly go along with it in the interest of “fair play and bipartisanship”.

        • Badgerite

          I’m not talking “fair play and bi-partisanship.” I’m talking the integrity of one Robert Mueller.
          The man who took down John Gotti. The only man who was kept on to head the FBI after 9/11 when the statutory time limit had tolled and by a unanimous vote of Congress.
          The man who threatened to resign his position just before the 2004 election if George Bush did not submit the NSA surveillance regime of digital communications that bordered on domestic surveillance to Congressional and FISA Court oversight. Prior to that time, the surveillance had been done merely on the say so of the executive branch. A clear violation of the US Constitution.
          He was willing to cause a political stink over that that probably would have cost Bush the election.
          The Robert Mueller who served in Vietnam. I think the reason that Rod Rosenstien appointed Mueller is because he knew Mueller could, and probably would take the shit his own party was going to dish out at him and still do what required to keep the country safe. I trust that he has.
          Partisan politics is one thing, but I think Mueller has certain core values that he does not deviate from. To say that what was uncovered by his investigation is exonerating is ridiculous. There was a literal Russian spy, Maria Butina, using the NRA to funnel money and Russian intelligence contacts within the gop ( see all the pictures of her just about everyone in the gop, even with Scott Walker for God’s sake). There are no ‘gun rights’ to speak of in Russia, of course.
          Russian intelligence and the Russian mob was all over the 2016 election. What do you think all of those redactions were about? ‘Pivacy?’ Chortle, chortle. Like hell. And the Russians were not there to help Hillary Clinton or anyone running as a Democrat. That’s for sure.
          What I’m saying is that the characterization of this investigation as a partisan “witch hunt” was ridiculous in the extreme. This was an investigation run by Republicans, started by Republicans and to satisfy Republicans because they were aware of the threat posed to the country by the guy they had just cheated their way into installing into the Oval Office. In other words, I think Congress needs to see the Mueller report in its entirety. What Barr is afraid of divulging has nothing to do with ‘privacy’. That is just utterly ridiculous. It has to do with all the evidence that the public has not yet been privy to that Mueller, in all likelihood uncovered about the contacts with the Russian intelligence via the Russian mob and others that went on with the trumps and the trump campaign and trump’s efforts to shut down any investigations of the same. You can’t actually prosecute someone for having a ton of contacts with the Russian mob or Russian intelligence. You can only prosecute them if you have solid evidence of a crime that they acted in or conspired with. Obviously Mueller could not find that. But I am sure he found a matrix of suspicious contacts that were lied about repeatedly til the lie was exposed. How many times did we hear how there were “no contacts whatsoever” with any Russian. Let’s see. All of the trumps. Mike Pence. Jeff Session, under oath. etc. Manafort was the only one who actually hedged on that and didn’t claim that himself but said that that was what the campaign was saying. This, of course, while Manafort, junior and Kushner, had met with a ton of Russian already in trump Tower and elsewhere and had a computer communicating exclusively with a computer in Alfa Bank in Russia. When the lie was exposed and all of the contacts became known the line turned to “partisan witch hunt”. Which, as I have said, is so utterly ridiculous as to defy, well, anything. This was a probe started because higher ups in the gop themselves had questions and concerns. trump was acting waaaaaaay to solicitous of Putin and for a reason. For me, that reason has not been put to rest.
          But it perhaps has been neutralized. At this point, I think it is the gop that has “kompromat” over trump. Barr could tell him to shut the ffff up on the tweet machine and he did. There is a reason.
          They are keeping him for accountability. But there are limits. And frankly, that’s good to know.
          If you don’t get that the gop could have started this investigation and used it for their own political purposes at the same time by turning it into a “partisan witch hunt” in the same breath and shielding this creepoid from real accountability at the polls and elsewhere as best they could, then you don’t get how utterly cynical about everything this political party really is.

  • Oh god, people in the news are really saying that? They’re really saying this is “a victory for our democracy?”

    I’m not vomiting, you’re vomiting!

    • Yep, heard it on NPR as a question to Joaquin Castro (at least I think it was Joaquin and not Julian). Anyway, basically they asked him whether he was relieved that the Pres. didn’t collude. I almost drove off the road.

    • Badgerite

      Oh please. The crooks are trying to get away with it. What else is new. Crooks gonna crook.

    • katanahamon

      Yes..article at Guardian..”now that this distraction is over with.” Like we can trust the partisan appointment of Barr who was specifically chosen for his views on the prosecution of presidents. Until we see the actual report, it ain’t over.

  • Badgerite

    I never thought Mueller would indict trump if for no other reason than the DOJ policy against such a practice. I thought he might indict Assange but since he is still hiding out in the Equadoran Embassy I don’t know how that would help.
    But the evidence uncovered of meetings, ‘back channels’ and a clear conclusion by Mueller that the Russian campaign was an intelligence operation designed to put trump in the White House that involved hacking of DNC, RNC and and state voter rolls in 29 states as well as a targeted campaign on social media to smear Clinton and the DNC involving troll farms and Russian bots in Russia and elsewhere in Europe is really what this investigation was supposed to be about and what it was about.
    I don’t think Mueller even interviewed junior and I don’t think he ever was put under oath ( see gop controlled House Committees) so without knowing exactly what was said in those meetings, which wouldn’t be possible unless one of the participants provided that information, I don’t know how you could prove what went on there. But that there was a campaign by Russian intelligence to alter the outcome of the 2016 elections, that trump and his campaign knew of it and were eager to accept their help is not really contestable. That the Russian operation was aimed at defrauding the American public is also not contestable. The purpose is to alter US policy to benefit Russia, not the US. Not only did the trump campaign not report it, they lied about it and the meetings unambiguously and often. Don’t talk to me ‘exonerated’, that’s just ridiculous.

  • Oh, thank goodness. I’m losing my mind today and I needed some perspective. I knew better to put too much faith in the Mueller report, but I guess I did because so far, I’m bitterly disappointed. Barr is the same guy that helped clamp down on the consequences of the Iran Contra scandal so I should have expected the summary from him. And don’t get me started on Rosenstein…that guy is complicit in Comey’s firing fer christ’s sake! Why are EITHER of these yokels being allowed to keep this report a secret and telling us, “Nothing to see here”.

    And WHY FFS is the media swallowing whole the GOP narrative!!!! I absolutely refuse to go to CNN or any other news site so long as they are pushing the Rethugs bullcrap. My mental health cannot take it right now.

    There’s a horse’s ass loose in the hospital that’s for damn sure.

  • Badgerite

    Why trump wasn’t tweeting? Barr told him to shut up. This was aimed at the press. They are trying to establish a narrative where the actual facts don’t matter. trump shutting up was a part of that since he is an idiot and corrupt liar who cannot help but lie through his teeth. Barr’s strategy was to let the press run with a false impression created by Barr.
    And they did. ( Who could’ve predicted?)
    ( See Clinton emails which frankly seems positively quaint now.)

    • I’d upvote this a million times. The fact that the media is pushing this narrative like the lazy asses they are….is just driving me bonkers.

      • Badgerite

        Oh, the press is off to the horse races already. I think they are tired of being attacked all the time.

      • Badgerite

        I would feel worse if the Mueller report had not established the Russian intelligence operation to put trump in the White House. There is actually a lot known now, for sure, that was not known when he started. I give him a lot of credit for that.
        I also might feel worse if November wasn’t fast approaching. It is. And it is imperative for the safety of the country that we get these ffffffing crooks out of office NOW. (See, I capitalized that)
        The same concerns that applied in 2018 apply now. Turnout that overwhelms the structural obstacles of voter suppression and gerrymandering that the gop has errected to stay in power regardless of what the public actually votes for.

        • That’s right! We know a lot that we didn’t know before.

          • Badgerite

            We certainly do. And we know that this group colluded up the kazoo with the Russian intelligence efforts. That is what the matrix of evidence already established shows. The indictments and convictions are actually quite stunning in terms of how high up they go in the trump campaign. One of the crimes that Manafort was not charged with as part of his agreement to cooperate was a charge that he acted in concert with Russian intelligence to subvert the 2016 election. Manafort was, of course, lying when he agreed to cooperate but being charged with that is a moot point since Barr shut the probe down. And I really do think that Barr did that behind the scenes.
            That was in his authority to do. But this was hardly a thorough accounting and all the redacted material is not about trump’s privacy. That’s ridiculous.

  • Badgerite

    Oh, of course we are “sore losers”. Clinton won the popular vote by around 3 million votes. A hostile foreign power waged a campaign of illegality and propaganda to install trump in the White House by tipping the electoral college by a mere 70,000 votes. That is simply not in dispute.
    During this intelligence operation people in the trump campaign met with Russians with connections to the Kremlin many, many times and lied about it over and over again until the Mueller investigation uncovered those meetings.
    Those meetings were not accidental, as first alleged, and they were about the campaign and the Russian ability to affect it in their favor. How much more ‘collusion’ would one need to show collusion?
    You bet we are “sore losers.”
    And, coincidence of coincidence, trump has quite a lot of a Putin wish list including attack NATO and our longest and closest allies.

  • Badgerite

    Bottom line: Congress needs the report. Period. The evidence that has already been discovered and revealed by this investigation requires it. Barr testifying is not enough. We need the report in its entirety. It’s called transparency and it is essential to a democracy.

    • Ziggy Blue

      Thanks Badgerite. I needed that dose of sanity.

      • Badgerite

        Your welcome. Something to remember is that Manafort actually transferred logistical campaign data about the upcoming 2016 election to Kilimnik, (mobbed up Russian and Kremlin contact). This was absolutely collusion to help with the Russian social media efforts, I’m sure. He, of course, owed Kilimnik $10 million at the time ( Paul likes to live large, clearly). He can say it was just a courtesy but I find that not very credible. What would Kilimnik want with campaign data? Other than to pass on to help Putin’s efforts.
        If it was worth $10 million to him, that says a lot.
        However you cannot prove that trump or anyone else in the campaign ordered it or was even aware of it.
        Though they were certainly aware of what Russian intelligence was doing and intended to do and that they expected things in return. How, in the world, is that “exoneration?”

        • Ziggy Blue

          It’s not, of course. It’s just basic quid pro quo.

          • Badgerite

            Yes, it is quid pro quo but it is a quid pro quo that is within the powers of the presidency. It is Congress that has kept a lid on what trump would probably be doing without some kind of stop on this. And the public disgust that has reigned in his horrendous obsequious to Putin and Russian interests. Unless you would have trump on tape explicitly promising or someone promising in his name to do A in exchange for B, I don’t see how you could prosecute it. That does not mean that the public should not know about it or be allowed to draw their own conclusions about it.
            The press is being ridiculous about this, of course. They are pretending that everything that was lied about and uncovered was not lied about and uncovered via a Special Counsel investigation.
            It was. These are facts. Not conjecture.
            Thanks for the thumbs up Ziggy B.