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Airports -- NSFW! Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is back from vacation; Everything sucks and the congressional Democrats are napping; Trump's Fourth of July wank session; Revolutionary War airports; French people chant 'fuck Trump' on Fox News; Jeffrey Epstein, Alex Acosta and Donald Trump; Trump feels badly for Acosta; Everything is a shovel fight; The latest polls show Trump inside the margin of error; Swalwell out, Steyer in; With music by Chris Walla and Cover Two Cover; and more!

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  • This is really pretty random cuz I too am fighting a nasty little attack of the Eeyores.

    So here we go.

    How many rams
    could a rampart part
    if a rampart
    could part rams?

    And, on the polling:
    I’m just not thoroughly convinced that the numbers are what they appear to be.

    45*’s overall approval is inching up towards 47%, while majorities of us disapprove of his performance on just about every issue the pollsters are asking people about.

    Maybe the GOP’s pimping of the fantasy of “the most awesomely awesome economy” has taken hold, and that explains some of the seeming contradiction (which sounds a little too much like a standard Flip-And-Remix of “economic anxiety”).

    But knowing what we know about what happened in 2016 (and we have to assume it’s still happening), I can’t shake the feeling that something’s still not kosher.

    Especially when it also seems like Dem voters are having our candidates chosen for us by the Press Poodles and the Social Media Manipulators.

    We have to figure how not to do 2020 politics under 2008 assumptions.

    That’s it. I’m done for now.

    Good show, guys.

  • mnpollio

    Can we please give up the notion that Nancy Pelosi has some grand strategy and is playing 3D chess or something? Anyone who lived through the Bush/Cheney administration knows that Pelosi’s bag of tricks for defense is basically saying a few strong words in the press, which get ignored by the Republicans or twisted by them for their own gain, and then backing it up with no action. Pelosi is a good fund-raiser…that is it. A person can be clever, but in ways that do not meet the challenges of certain situations. Pelosi has never been and never will be a fighter and she will never run a good offense. She never takes the offense and she could barely hold together her coalition under the onslaught of a buffoonish manufactured entity such as the Tea Party. Throughout her tenure as Democratic leader in Congress, she has been more vocal and persistent in scolding members of her own party that actually want to fight the Republicans than she has been especially effective in countering the Republicans on anything. She (and for that matter Schumer and Hoyer) is a relic of a bygone era where she thinks being forever cautious and acting mature means the other side will cave and be clamoring to work with her on something. Those days are long gone and that outlook is going to get people killed…literally. Her fundraising screeds (of which I get far too many) are usually primal yells about the outrages of what the Republicans are doing and that she/the Democrats are the only thing that can reign them in, so please send all your money ASAP…except, when victories are delivered to Pelosi and company, they fail in every way to deliver on holding the Republicans accountable on…well anything. They barely go through the motions of trying. We do not need a fundraiser in this position now, we need a good old-fashioned scrapper. And so long as we do not have one, then we are only going to get farcical investigations that go no where, half measures and no measures.

    And this cannot be repeated enough. Pelosi took an oath when she took her position to protect the Republic and Constitution from any threats – whether externally or internally. The oath does not come with an addendum that it should only be honored if someone guarantees you a victory or if it is convenient for you. The oath requires you to act immediately and decisively when such threats arise and you are not given a convenient out. Of course, honoring the oath means sometimes placing the country above the party and Pelosi will NEVER do that. She is pushing everything to 2020 because she literally wants the voters to do her job for her and not inconvenience her. Except with Trump and the Republicans doing nothing to protect the elections for foreign meddling, and in point of fact calling for more foreign meddling in those elections, how is Pelosi even remotely confident in their being accurate and honest? She cannot be, which makes her approach lazy, inappropriate and quite frankly criminal. If she is not willing to honor her oath and decisively defend the Constitution and the Republic against the crimes that are unfolding in front of us (and have been accomplished already), then step down. It is that simple and there are no defenses or excuses that can be tolerated.

    And please spare me the hogwash that some people are spouting about how “she knows what she is doing” and we need to have faith because her thinking is so astute and in the rare as to be beyond the grasp of mere mortals. This is a fantasy. A lunatic one. We have history to demonstrate the fallacy of that outlook. Her refusal to be proactive during Bush/Cheney and hold them accountable on anything set the stage for Trump, so please deliver me from heralding the wonders of the Pelosi intellect and outlook.

  • Jeremy Gren

    The impeach now crowd is engaging in magical thinking. Impeachment
    relies on norms… the same ones Trump currently ignores on a regular
    basis. The same ones McConnell ignored as regards to Merrick Garland
    (and yet you utterly reliant on him for removal from office).

    The Watergate impeachment hearings were comprised of
    witnesses from the Nixon administration; all of whom Nixon didn’t block
    from testifying because he was worried how that would look. Well, Trump
    doesn’t care how it looks. He is blocking anyone from talking now and
    putting “impeachment” in the name of another hearing doesn’t make him
    stop doing that. The House subpoenas so-and-so, Trump orders so-and-so
    to ignore it, so-and-so either doesn’t appear or does appear and refuses
    to answer.

    “But the courts can force them to testify,” you say.
    No, actually, they can’t. The expectation that the executive branch
    follows the rulings of the judicial branch is just a norm. The judiciary
    has no way to enforce what they hand down. It’s just assumed that the
    executive branch will comply because it almost always has. It’s a norm,
    not a law. But there has to be a president that cares about the
    separation of powers for said norms to work. Trump doesn’t.

    And, besides all of that, impeachment will not remove Trump from office
    (which is the entire point) because Mitch McConnell won’t schedule a
    trial. Anyone that thinks the constitution says the senate absolutely
    *must* hold one after a house impeachment hasn’t read it. It says no
    such thing. Impeachment articles will die in McConnell’s desk drawer.
    The majority leader of the senate has absolute power over what it does
    and does not do. He’ll even brag about it like he bragged about denying
    Judge Garland a hearing.

    Much of how our government works is not based on laws or rules;
    they are actually just norms we’ve mostly agreed upon. Well,
    the republican party has abandoned that agreement, And the
    impeachment crowd still haven’t figured this out.

    • I appreciate your criticism, but as always I have responses.

      >>Well, mpeachment relies on those same norms… the ones Trump currently ignores on a regular basis.

      I don’t get it. Because Trump ignores political norms, the Constition’s impeachment language is irrelevant?

      >>He is blocking anyone from talking now and putting “impeachment” in the name of another hearing doesn’t make him stop doing that.

      So we should reward obstruction by giving up?

      >>”But the courts can force them to testify,” you say. No, actually, they can’t.

      I didn’t say that. In fact, I spoke extensively about Trump ignoring the courts and the lack of enforcement mechanisms.

      >>And, besides all of that, impeachment will not remove Trump from office

      Then why is the House bothering to pass any laws if they’ll just die in the Senate? Laws without passage can send a message, political and otherwise. Similarly, accountability doesn’t have to end in a conviction and removal, though that’d be nice.

      >>You’re engaged in magical thinking.

      The Constitution must be magical then.

      • Jeremy Gren

        “I don’t get it. Because Trump ignores political norms, the Constition’s impeachment language is irrelevant?”

        As I went on to say, yes. You know full well the judiciary actually has no means by which to stop Trump from blocking witness testimony. And those witnesses are absolutely vital for the impeachment hearings that you, Kendzior, Nance, Buzz, Stephanie Miller, T-Rex, Jackie et al keep insisting will show Americans the truth of the Mueller report.

        But witnesses actually have to talk to Congress in public (like H.R. Halderman, John Ehrlichman, Alexander Butterfield, E. Howard Hunt, Charles Colson, John Dean et al did) first and Trump is never going to let that happen. Never.

        It doesn’t matter how many times the courts rule witnesses must show up when subpoenaed by congress, Trump will keep blocking them anyway and he will lose zero support from Fox news, talk radio and the republican base for doing it.

        And all there is to be done about that is: add it to the list of impeachable offenses that will die in MItch McConnell’s desk drawer.

        “So we should reward obstruction by giving up?”

        The way you frame it as “rewarding obstruction” is ridiculous. We are victims of gerrymandering and the power the supposedly brilliant constitution gives sparsely populated red states in the Senate. Is a child that is beaten by their parent rewarding abuse? Expecting a Sorkian moment where the Republicans all suddenly see the light, en mass, is magical thinking.

        Also, you didn’t respond to this:

        “And, besides all of that, impeachment will not remove Trump from office (which is the entire point) because Mitch McConnell won’t schedule a trial. Anyone that thinks the constitution says the Senate absolutely *must* hold one after a house impeachment hasn’t read it. It says no such thing. Impeachment articles will die in McConnell’s desk drawer. The majority leader of the senate has absolute power over what it does and does not do. He’ll even brag about it like he bragged about denying Judge Garland a hearing.”

        And we both know why: that’s exactly what McConnell will do it and there’s nothing we can do about it.

        “Then why is the House bothering to pass any laws if they’ll just die in the Senate?

        Give me a break. They do that so they can get re-elected and then later do some good should the stars line up and the Democrats retake the Senate.

        Impeachment was off the table when we didn’t also take back the Senate in the midterm. We all seemed to understand that last year. How it became a “debate” is really strange.

      • Jeremy Gren

        “I don’t get it. Because Trump ignores political norms, the Constition’s impeachment language is irrelevant?”

        As I went on to say, yes. You know full well the judiciary actually has no means by which to stop Trump from blocking witness testimony. And those witnesses are absolutely vital for the impeachment hearings that you, Kendzior, Nance, Buzz, Stephanie Miller, T-Rex, Jackie et al keep insisting will show Americans the truth of the Mueller report.

        But witnesses actually have to talk to Congress in public (like H.R. Halderman, John Ehrlichman, Alexander Butterfield, E. Howard Hunt, Charles Colson, John Dean et al did) first and Trump is never going to let that happen. Never.

        It doesn’t matter how many times the courts rule witnesses must show up when subpoenaed by congress, Trump will keep blocking them anyway and he will lose zero support from Fox news, talk radio and the republican base for doing it.

        And all there is to be done about that is: add it to the list of impeachable offenses that will die in MItch McConnell’s desk drawer.

        “So we should reward obstruction by giving up?”

        The way you frame it as “rewarding obstruction” is ridiculous. We are victims of
        gerrymandering and the power the supposedly brilliant constitution gives sparsely populated red states in the Senate. Is a child that is beaten by their parent rewarding abuse? Expecting a Sorkian moment where the Republicans all suddenly see the light, en mass, is magical thinking.

        Also, you didn’t respond to this:

        “And, besides all of that, impeachment will not remove Trump from office (which is the entire point) because Mitch McConnell won’t schedule a trial. Anyone that thinks the
        constitution says the Senate absolutely *must* hold one after a house impeachment hasn’t read it. It says no such thing. Impeachment articles will die in McConnell’s desk drawer. The majority leader of the senate has absolute power over what it does and does not do. He’ll even brag about it like he bragged about denying Judge Garland a hearing.”

        And we both know why: that’s exactly what McConnell will do it and there’s nothing we can do about it.

        “Then why is the House bothering to pass any laws if they’ll just die in the Senate?

        Give me a break. They do that so they can get re-elected and then later do some good should the stars line up and the Democrats retake the Senate.

        Impeachment was off the table when we didn’t also take back the Senate in the midterm. We all seemed to understand that last year. How it became a “debate” is really
        strange.

      • Jeremy Gren

        “I don’t get it. Because Trump ignores political norms,the Constition’s impeachment language is irrelevant?”

        As I went on to say, yes. You know full well the judiciary actually has no means by which to stop Trump from blocking witness testimony. And those witnesses are absolutely vital for the impeachment hearings that you, Kendzior, Nance, Buzz, Stephanie Miller, T-Rex, Jackie et al keep insisting will show Americans the truth of the Mueller report. But witnesses actually have to talk to Congress in public (like H.R. Halderman, John Ehrlichman, Alexander Butterfield, E. Howard Hunt, Charles Colson, John Dean et al did) first and Trump is never going to let that happen. Never.

        It doesn’t matter how many times the courts rule witnesses must show up when subpoenaed by congress, Trump will keep blocking them anyway and he will lose zero support from Fox news, talk radio and the republican base for doing it. And all there is to be done about that is: add it to the list of impeachable offenses that will die in MItch McConnell’s desk drawer.

        “So we should reward obstruction by giving up?”

        The way you frame it as “rewarding obstruction” is ridiculous. We are victims of gerrymandering and the power the supposedly brilliant constitution gives sparsely populated red states in the Senate. Is a child that is beaten by their parent rewarding abuse? Expecting a Sorkian moment where the Republicans all suddenly see the light, en mass, is magical thinking.

        Also, you didn’t respond to this:

        “And, besides all of that, impeachment will not remove Trump from office (which is the entire point) because Mitch McConnell won’t schedule a trial. Anyone that thinks the constitution says the Senate absolutely *must* hold one after a house impeachment hasn’t read it. It says no such thing. Impeachment articles will die in McConnell’s desk drawer. The majority leader of the senate has absolute power over what it does and does not do. He’ll even brag about it like he bragged about denying Judge Garland a hearing.” And we both know why: that’s exactly what McConnell will do and there’s nothing we can do about it.

        “Then why is the House bothering to pass any laws if they’ll just die in the Senate?”

        Give me a break. They do that so they can get re-elected and then later do some good should the stars line up and the Democrats retake the Senate. Impeachment was off the table when we didn’t also take back the Senate in the midterm. We all seemed to understand that last year. How it became a “debate” is really strange.

    • Michael J Elston

      You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, Jeremy, as are we. We’re not asking Pelosi to alter reality. We’re asking her to do her job. And we cannot know that impeachment won’t remove Trump from office. And although Mitch has said he’d dispatch of an impeachment quickly in the Senate, he may not be able, after much is exposed in the House Impeachment hearings. If we never have those hearings, we’ll never know what might’ve been said. And, I would add, it’s better to maybe lose Round One (impeachment) than to not try and to lose what would’ve been Round Two in 2020. Let us conclude this discussion of our clear disagreement as allies.

      • Jeremy Gren

        Your faith in Mitch McConnell is touching.

        • Michael J Elston

          And your sarcasm is drippy. I’m sorry I engaged.

          • Jeremy Gren

            Sorry for the sarcasm. Just read everything I said to Bob. There are two posts.