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Bob and Chez
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RELM_buttonAmerica Sucks Less: The Latest Gun Massacre; The San Bernardino Shooting; Repealing the Second Amendment; We Agree with Geraldo; Shep Smith Speaks the Truth; BBC's Overseas Reaction to America's Gun Fetish; Gun Distributors Bask in Profits; Trump's Post-Massacre Polling; Trump Insults Jews; Trump Appears on Alex Jones; The Trump and Nugent Ticket; and much more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.


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  • katanahamon

    Ugh.. I don’t know where to start. Maybe just a “positive” note… At least if the republicans win, their lax gun laws will ensure the availability of firearms so we can more easily kill ourselves…

  • Just realized that Santa in the initial clip sounded like Lewis Black!

    I can’t agree enough about your interp of “2nd Amendment Remedies”–to those on the right who have given up on our democracy, who believe they have no “remedies” in the system, it means “use your gun instead” and so domestic terrorists do. And ironically enough, foreign terrorists believe they have no other legitimate remedies to effect change as well. And their causes are similar too. How is a white Christian terrorist who wants to force his beliefs on others any different than a brown Muslim terrorist who wants to force his beliefs on others?

    Have to disagree with you…those rushing out to buy guns are not all psychotic people. They’re people who are really scared because they’re inundated with messages from authority figures (media, politicians, preachers, etc) telling them that the end is nigh (insert cause here, could be black President being elected, Mass shooting, terrorist attack, etc) and they need to protect themselves. Then they talk to each other and ramp each other up further. Then they rush out to buy guns. I think it’s like some kind of distributed mob-like behavior. Fear is literally contagious and it feeds on ignorance and misinformation. That is what these gun sales spikes are about.

    Bob, you gave up on HI? I’ve been out of the loop.

    You know what would be great? If Trump accepts the Republican nomination and then stands up at the convention and says, “I’m actually a secret Democrat and I ran for this nomination to expose the racism and ignorance at the core of the Republican party.” I would laugh until I peed myself. I know, I know, it’s a silly dream. So sue me….

    In regards Nugent….Oh, pick me, pick me!!!!!

  • A relatively small proportion of Americans own guns. In fact, a lot of the ‘gun-nuts’ on the internet don’t actually own a firearm. Moreover, a lot of the folks that do own guns happen to be independent or liberal. For example, there are lots of cops, hunters, veterans, and active-duty military personnel that vote Democratic.

    The reason the NRA cares about selling guns isn’t because they care about the profits of its members so much as they care about the donations that flow from its members. The real focus of that organization is politics: the right-wing gun culture and obsession w/ the 2A is an organizing principle around which conservatives naturally coalesce — a force which becomes especially potent when combined with fear of Big Govt, Muslims, immigrants, and Black people. NRA members are committed, die-hard activists who volunteer on behalf of candidates to get out the vote for conservatives. The country is almost as polarized geographically as it is politically; liberals are concentrated on the coasts, while conservatives dominate the South and the middle of the country, and unfortunately, Wyoming and Idaho have the same number of US senators as NY and CA.

  • The 2nd amendment is a great example of why you hafta be really careful about the laws you want to enact when your motivation for those laws is fear. So let’s also be careful now as we try to figure out what we should do about the Guns Problem.

    And Bob touched on the real crux of it all when he started talking about the NRA’s exploitation of the 2nd amendment to move product. This is USAmerica Inc – if you wanna good clear picture of any problem, stop looking at the people who’re made to suffer because of it, and start looking at the ones who either benefit from it’s continuation, or profit by whatever “solution” they’re peddling. As often as not, you’ll see them perpetuating the problem even as they garner the rewards for their “efforts to combat” it.

    Like I said – this is USAmerica Inc – we can’t reasonably expect the Rent Seekers to try working themselves out of a job.

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    B&C, I just thought of something about the 2nd amendment. Chez mentioned that the Founders had a lack of imagination. Well, perhaps we’re looking at it backwards. Imagine if the Founders added the 2nd amendment TO the Constitution specifically so that if things got out of hand (as they are) there would at least be some vehicle for ridding the country of them. They engineered the constitution to be amended and changed, so it can always be taken out. Maybe they felt that it would be a more effective and powerful action than simply passing a law. (I know it’s unlikely, but ???)

    • RHB

      Interesting thought! Perhaps some of this might help?

      The intent of the 2nd Amendment is a hot topic of debate among historians (whom it applied to and what it was for) – there are arguments that the amendment was included to ensure southern states had the means to put down slave insurrections, there are arguments that the new national government could put down tax rebellions (a la Shays’ Rebellion), and there are arguments it was intended to ensure the population was protected against a tyrannical government. Of those three, the last is generally considered a “conservative myth.” The Constitution wasn’t written in response to British tyranny (The Articles of Confederation, which provided for a very weak central government, were used by the colonies during the Revolution.) Rather, the constitution was written in response to to the disorder generated by the ineffectual central government.

      The framers WERE worried about tyranny, but they were also worried about unchecked democracy. Some of the framers were worried about the federal government usurping state power, some were worried about a standing army, some believed the federal government needed a way to organize defense – so you get this divided system of control over the militias and the second amendment to guarantee their ability to arm themselves. It’s mythical though to think that the framers ever intended Joe Farmer to take up arms against the central government. In fact, the constitution specifically states that the president has the authority to call forth the militia to suppress insurrections and repel foreign invaders. Twice in the 1790s, the federal government put down “tax rebellions.”

      We can amend and change the constitution, but it’s very hard to do – only 27 times since 1789, and 10 of those came within a few years as part of the Bill of Rights. You have to get 2/3 of both houses or 2/3 of state legislatures to propose an amendment, then 3/4 of states or 3/4 of constitutional conventions to pass it before it’s adopted.

      The framers probably did lack imagination, but that’s a human condition – imagine all the policies and things we’ve enacted in the last hundred years that turned out to be terrible ideas or unworkable, etc. We’re pretty bad at acknowledging consequences, sometimes because we just don’t imagine them, we don’t have the knowledge for them, or we think it’ll never happen to us.

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    Yeah, there ya go, tRump/Nugent———2 dudes equally (at least) qualified to run ANYTHING outside of an outhouse.

  • muselet

    Chez, I hate to have to think this way, but using the word “crazy” to describe the San Bernardino shooters plays into the GOP/NRA’s narrative. Paul Ryan today announced his support for a mental health reform bill because, he says, it’s people with mental-health issues that are the problem, not that we’re awash in high-powered weaponry. (I’m not saying Syed Farouk wasn’t crazy, just that it’s unhelpful to say it.)

    Chez, what weapons will be developed in the next two centuries? I don’t know, either, but that doesn’t mean we lack imagination.

    Bob, do you honestly think the gun-humpers care about the NRA’s motivations? They’ve been fed a steady stream of paranoid fantasy over the past thirty years, they’re absolutely sure The Gummint! or Those People! are a’comin’ to git them and the police are either powerless or on the other side (or perhaps that should be the Others’ side).

    Wayne LaPierre’s job isn’t to pitch guns. It’s to be a lightning rod for decent people’s outrage. The smartest thing sane people could possibly do is ignore him and the idiocies he spouts, and concentrate on the real issue: there are too many firearms in the US, and too many of them are in the hands of those who shouldn’t own them.

    Give him time. Roger Ailes or one of his minions will yank Geraldo Rivera’s leash and he’ll go back to blaming shooting victims for wearing hoodies or some other horrible, brainless twaddle.

    Whenever there’s breaking news, BBC News is my first stop online. The reporting is first-rate and absolutely objective, and the commentary is insightful and thought-provoking (if occasionally, especially when the subject is something peculiar to America, somewhat bewildered).

    Bob, a wall o’ guns seems to be a feature of every Big5 store. Hell, every week, the company’s weekly flyer is roughly one-quarter guns (including, to be fair, BB and pellet guns).

    The commenters at Dead Andy are the worst I’ve seen anywhere on the interwebs, and that’s saying something. Comparing the comments there to an open sewer is an insult to open sewers.

    American exceptionalism on display.

    Charlie Pierce this morning: “Some days, I truly wish the Tree of Liberty was a cactus, so we wouldn’t have to water it so damned much. ”

    Kevin Drum dismissed Donald Trump today perfectly:

    Trump’s record makes it pretty clear that every deal he’s ever negotiated has been pretty routine. His buildings are no more successful than anyone else’s. His golf resorts are, perhaps, a little less successful than average. The only thing he’s been really good at is reality TV. What a blowhard.

    (For what it’s worth, I do disagree with Drum’s analysis of Trump’s candidacy as a test-to-destruction of the GOP, and by extension of the Right. Trump’s simply not bright—or self-aware—enough to run such a test.)

    It would be pleasant to ignore the short-fingered vulgarian, wouldn’t it?

    Donald Trump on Alex Jones’s show. I guess physics was wrong, because that should have caused the Wingnut Singularity. Or maybe the Stupidity Singularity.

    A Trump/Nugent ticket? Oh. Dear. Lord. The sad thing is, there are people out there who, without irony, think that would be the greatest thing ever.


  • josephebacon

    Just the thought of a Trump/Nugent ticket…

    Just imagine the new National Anthem–Cat Scratch Fever…

    • muselet

      You owe me some brain bleach. And a wire brush.



    • Aynwrong