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RELM_buttonTurn Those Machines Back On: Our Complete Recap of the Iowa Caucus; Hillary Narrowly Defeats Bernie; Ted Cruz's Insane Victory Speech; Cruz Is Going to Be an Ever Bigger Jerk Now; Trump Is Absolutely Still Alive; Coin Toss Truthers; Millennials and Trophies for Everyone; Undecided Caucusgoer Says the F Word on MSNBC; Third Place Failures; and much more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.



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  • Didn’t the lady vet who dropped the f-bomb eventually go over to the Bernie side in that video? That’s what I remember from seeing it.

  • I’m a Feel The Bern guy, until or unless it’s time to Chill With Hill, at which point I’ll shove a chunk of Limburger up each nostril, and hit the Hillary Clinton button in November.
    Because I intend never to miss a chance to vote against the greater of two evils.

    • I love that. That’s so true.

    • Scopedog


  • MarkS2002

    As always, generally upset by your comments about Bernie. No matter how much you may say about liking Bernie, the facetious comments about people who were disappointed by Obama’s “real change” sound somewhat desperate. As a Vietnam Nam era New Canadian, who lived in the Filmore district during the late 60s, I don’t see a lot of change between then and now. So when, exactly, ought the US to address the racism and corruption at the centre of the system?

    Now, having gotten that out, I have just two personal observations to make. In 1969 I graduated from SF State having paid only about $125 a semester in fees. TUITION FREE. When I moved to Toronto later that year I was enrolled in Canadian Medicare, for a trivial amount of monthly fees. At this point, my wife and I together pay $145 a month. Don’t try that with the ACA. Bringing in Medicare up here was not without its difficulties and threats from the medical providers, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. Your expressed lack of political will is hardly proof of anything.


    • Comparing the Canadian legislatators and system, not to mention the population, and the US’s is like apples and oranges. We were lucky to get our government funded so we didn’t default on our debt. If they are willing to hold the our economy hostage and threaten the worlds as a result just to piss off a Dem President, single payer healthcare has a snowball’s chance in hell for at least another 20 years.

      • MarkS2002

        For sure these are two different countries;but, with the major exception of slavery and your emphasis on the gun culture, most of our roots are the same. It seems to me, as someone who has lived in both countries, that a lack of a desire for social cohesiveness, reinforced by the “division of powers”–which often don’t seem divided at all–in your governance has led to the disfunctional state in which you find yourself. Really, the problems you have between the Congress and the Presidency will have to be addressed in the same manner in which those roadblocks were put in place. That is the underlying believe behind my comment about political will. It was clear that when Ronald Reagan became governor of California, attempts at inclusiveness and community were struck a crippling blow. (I believe he addressed his view of taxpayer supported higher education as simply enabling the Hippies and the Panthers.) If a majority of voters cannot see the advantages of higher tax rates for a happier existence, I guess Sanders’ suggestions will be DOA and the oligarchs will hold onto power in perpetuity. Still, the oligarchs in Canada held similar views–remember Reagan and Mulroney duetting to “When Irish Eyes Are Smiling”–and somehow objections were overcome, to the point where Tommy Douglas, the leader of our socialist CCF (now much less socialist NDP) was voted the most popular Canadian, ever. Stephen Harper is no longer our PM. 20000 fire breathing Muslim refugees are about to make Canada their home. “War is over. (If you want it.).” Change can happen. We are proof of that.

        • But Canada has a parliamentary system with multiple parties (5 right now?)….forming coalitions and the way in which they create the “will” to do something new is totally different. We have two parties and yes the separation of powers. It takes longer to make something happen in our system but that ensures that we aren’t too quick on the draw, which is sometimes a good thing. And in the case of health care, a bad thing. So my point still stands.

  • muselet

    Marco Rubio was careful to manage expectations leading up to last night. His campaign was quietly letting everyone know that second place was as much as they expected from the caucuses. That he finished third, so close to Donald Trump, made the prediction markets (yes, I know) bullish on him again.

    Going forward, the conventional wisdom is that Rubio’s fortunes will depend on Trump’s. If the short-fingered vulgarian somehow manages to get his mojo back, then Rubio is toast; otherwise, Trump sinks beneath the waves and Rubio benefits. In other words, it’s too early to write Rubio off. Don’t know if I buy it completely, but it makes as much sense as any other prognostication.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s numbers nationally start to fall. After all his chest-thumping about being a winner, finishing second in Iowa—being the first loser—is bound to leave a mark. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving fellow. We’ll have to wait and see if his supporters bolt for the exits.

    Trump’s funniest claim was that he’d been told by lots of experts that he couldn’t win in Iowa, so finishing second was a triumph.

    “Ted Cruz is a monster.” Spot on, Chez.

    GOTV, or the lack thereof, is what sank Trump. His supporters were enthusiastic to the point of being raucous, but without the much-vaunted ground game—*gack*—they didn’t turn up to caucus. Cruz’s campaign made sure his supporters got to their caucus locations.

    It doesn’t surprise me in the least that Cruz settled into his familiar theocratic bluster (again, well said, Chez). That and spittle-flecked rage at the very existence of a national government are his only two modes.

    No, Bob, clearly Hillary Clinton and her minions rigged every precinct with double-headed or weighted coins because they knew they’d have to cheat in order to win. [/snark] (Incidentally, there’s no such thing as a biased coin.)

    Nice getoffmylawnyoukids!, guys.

    I’ve never been a big fan of the Rolling Stones, but I was exposed to their music growing up. Maybe the die-hard Sandernistas should be encouraged to put on headphones and listen to “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” on repeat until the chorus start to make sense.

    Bob, it takes time for idealism to become realism. Assuming the young’uns don’t give up completely on politics—something that’s been said about every generation in my lifetime, by the way—they’ll come around.

    Bob, Canada has single-payer insurance: the government is the sole (I believe) provider of health insurance but does not employ (many) healthcare workers. The UK has a National Health Service in which most (not all) healthcare workers are government employees and, since Margaret Thatcher, individuals can buy supplemental insurance from private companies. France’s system is a hybrid of government insurance (with pretty generous basic benefits), mostly private healthcare workers, and supplemental insurance from private companies. You are right that implementing any of those systems would cause a huge upheaval in a very large part of the US economy. We can argue whether the cost-containment built into government insurance might ultimately benefit the economy, but the transition would be unpleasant.

    Hillary Clinton may have jumped the gun on her victory speech—and Bernie Sanders has a right to be annoyed about it, quite frankly—but bigfooting Ted Cruz was more important than playing nice. Politics is a blood sport, to coin a cliché, and the Clintons are experts at it.

    Even if Sanders has no scandals or skeletons, the press will be all over him because, if nothing else, he’s fresh meat.

    (Bob, you missed Chez’s fuckin’ at 56:39.)


    • Victor the Crab

      I’ve never been a big fan of the Rolling Stones, but I was exposed to their music growing up. Maybe the die-hard Sandernistas should be encouraged to put on headphones and listen to “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” on repeat until the chorus start to make sense.

      Everytime I think of that song in the past few years, I always go back the political climate surrounding President Obama and what he’s been able to accomplish vs. what his supporters demanded from him and felt let down. That something any so-called liberal/progressive worth their salt needs to understand. And that goes especially for the Sandernistas out there who claim it’s Bernie or bust.

      You can’t always get what you want (Single payer health coverage)
      But if you try sometimes, you get what you need (the ACA)

      Way more important and beneficial for them than another Rolling Stones classic they seem to be adopting:

      Sympathy For The Devil (Voting Republican to “teach” Democrats a “lesson” – whatever the fuck that is)

  • Luke

    Granted, I am just a free show listener, but I haven’t heard you guys address the unlikelyhood of Hillary passing any of her ideas through a Republican-controlled Congress (sorry if I missed it, but I think I’ve caught all of the free shows for the last 6 months or so). I know Bernie’s platform is mostly dreaming, but I don’t trust Hillary with anything other than the SCOTUS nominations (which is a huge thing, and I WILL vote for her). She’s a little too friendly with Wall Street, being on the board of Walmart, not being vocally against DOMA, supporting the many terrible “free” trade agreements, etc. Don’t misunderstand, I think our country needs a woman POTUS. I just don’t see how the R’s in Congress will hate her any less than Bernie’s ideas.
    I know Bernie’s not perfect, but I think his direction is the more direct path toward where we’re likely to be headed (hopefully) as a nation. Ultimately, I wish Elizabeth Warren had decided to run, but I respect her opinion that she can affect more change in the Senate.
    Count me as one listener who you could categorize as a Bernie supporter who cringes while continuing to listen to the show. Maybe treating the fringe (as I see them) Bernie supporters, the petulant children they may turn out to be, as the majority of the supporters, isn’t the best way to discuss the Democratic nomination process for this cycle.
    Apologies for the commas, I’m bad at punctuation.

    • cddb

      >>>Count me as one listener who you could categorize as a Bernie supporter who cringes while continuing to listen to the show

      Don’t worry, there are *plenty* of people cringing at their comments over the last couple months 😉 Although I think many of them have stopped listening entirely, unfortunately (and I do honestly think it’s unfortunate, as I am a fan of this show!). It does get hard to listen during the extended segments where they’re effectively campaigning for Hillary.

  • jewelbomb

    “Look, I’m not pushing either of the Democratic candidates at this point, I’m just watching” Bob, around 46 minutes in.

    Dude, it’s clearly your show and you can say what you want, but you can’t spend half of every episode smugly denigrating one candidate and his supporters and still pretend that you haven’t picked a side. It’s totally your right to support Hillary, but don’t kid yourself or lie to your listeners. It’s getting really annoying.

    • If you want to know exactly how I feel about Hillary, go back to my 2008 posts when I spent six months excoriating her. (Sorry, Hillary supporters.) You can also go back to our Spring 2016 shows in which I portrayed the Clintons as the characters from House Of Cards. Not flattering.

      And see, that’s the thing. Hillary has a long history in the public view and therefore many years of well-known criticism, whereas Bernie hasn’t been vetted as a presidential candidate. So, now’s the time. I’m sorry if that gives you The Feels.

      • ranger11

        I think that was Spring 2015. The one where Bill and Hill were in a threesome with a butler or somebody. Great stuff!

      • jewelbomb

        That’s all fine: you think Clinton is flawed, you’ve criticized her in the past, but you think she’s the best candidate in 2016 for a host of reasons that we could debate. Whatever. But stop saying you’re “not pushing either of the Democratic candidates” when you clearly are. Recent columns and podcast episodes show a clear and pronounced preference for Hillary. I’m not sure why you’re reluctant to just own it. You’ve mentioned previously that you’ve vowed not to get involved in intra-party sniping during the Dem. primary. Okay, well then don’t get involved. But if you continue to devote large portions of the show to bashing Bernie and showing utter contempt for his supporters (unsurprisingly, Chez is way worse in this respect), don’t be surprised when the millennials, whom you both seem to loathe for some reason, don’t mobilize immediately for Hillary once she has the nomination locked.

        *If it matters, I’m saying this as both a fan of the show and as a (tepid) Hillary supporter. I’ll probably vote for Bernie, but only because he has no chance of actually winning in my state.

        • Scopedog

          Why can’t Bob say he’s not pushing either of the candidates yet? It’s his show, after all. And besides, if he bashed Hillary and praised Bernie, would that please you?

          And frankly, while I give Senator Sanders a lot of respect, I too am very tired of the shenanigans of some of his supporters. They are spending far too much time bashing Hillary instead of focusing on the real danger, the GOP. I saw something similar in 2000 when Naderites spent more time trashing Gore and claiming that he was no better than Bush (and Alexander Cockburn penned that POS book Al Gore: A Users’ Guide. We all saw the results and Obama’s spent the past seven years trying to repair the damage.

          And if Millennials want to act like a bunch of pouty brats just because their candidate didn’t get elected, then f*@! ’em. I hope they’ll enjoy the three-way of a GOP Presidency, Congress, and Supreme Court tossing them over the fence and giving them the business. Feel THAT “burn”.

          • jewelbomb

            Totally right. It’s Bob’s show and he can say what he wants. It’s just seems a little disingenuous to keep claiming not to be pushing a candidate while spending large portions of each show either overtly or implicitly pushing a candidate.

          • cddb

            In the latest episode (2/4), Bob says AGAIN, “I’m not endorsing Hillary here…”, which comes right after another extended Hillary cheerleading/Bernie bashing session! Weird.

  • A single-payer system wouldn’t necessarily eliminate private health insurance companies, and I don’t think most people who advocate for a single-payer system in the US advocate doing that. There are private health insurance companies and private hospitals in Britain; not every hospital is an NHS hospital and rich people still have fancy options. I think your typical GP is considered self-employed rather than directly employed by the government, and they can contract their services to the NHS but also take on private clients if they want. There are also some employer-based plans that you can have and then the NHS acts as a safety net for you.

    In our country, people on Medicare and Medicaid are still served by private health insurance companies. In a “Medicare for all” single-payer model, the payee would be private health insurance companies and the payer would be the United States government. You pay into the health care system through your taxes; it goes into a pool, and then the government takes that money and pays your health insurance premiums for you–to a private health insurance company, which then issues you a plan just like you have now. That’s how Medicare and Medicaid work, and that’s presumably how a “Medicare for all” system would work. I’m not saying that it would be without its problems, but I don’t think it would collapse the health insurance industry and cause a recession–particularly because, just like in Britain, all of our rich people would be able to pay to “jump the line” and use private hospitals and pay for premium plans.

    • I wish Bernie would clarify what his single-payer system would look like. Canada? England?

      • I’m making a lot of assumptions based on his use of the phrase “Medicare for all,” but you’re right, he should.

      • MarkS2002

        Up here, every province runs its own Medical Services Plan, which provides services and to which we pay. (A federal system.) The federal government provides the mandatory stipulations in coverage, collects the majority of the taxes, and backstops the whole system. I have had cancer and sigmoid surgery, including in home and in hospital aftercare for $145 a month for my wife and I. I am 70 and still alive and very happy with a system I barely accessed until I was in my 60s. Yes, We Canadians can.

  • Minor note: The episode description in the RSS feed is the same as last week’s (“Farewell to Tarp Man,” etc.)

    In the 2008 convention Obama and Hillary split the delegates 51% to 49%, and Obama went on to pick Hillary for Secretary of State. I hope the Sanders fans can accept something like that as a backup option, since Hillary *should* extend the same courtesy.

    Besides, President Bernie Sanders doesn’t excite me as much as Bernie Sanders, Secretary of Labor in the Hillary Clinton administration.

    • Victor the Crab

      If that happens, his fans will start screaming “SELLOUT!!!”

      • Yeah, probably. But their screams will be lost in the storm of right-wing headsplosions, so I’d count it as a win.

    • Awesome idea, he would make a fantastic Sec of Labor!

  • Badgerite

    Ralph Nader is at it again. He is urging Sanders to run as an independent if he doesn’t get the nomination.
    Because that worked so well in 2000. Is there even such a thing as a Green Party anymore? I haven’t even heard if they nominated anyone this time around. Nader’s idea of building a third party should have seen the dumpster by now.
    The truth is Sanders is not the person who reminds me of FDR. Hilary Clinton is. Sanders reminds me of Henry Wallace. Who only has any name recognition because he was once on a ticket with FDR.
    FDR got the New Deal done. Not Wallace.

    • Victor the Crab

      Oh dear God. Someone needs to tell Ralph Nader to “Shut the Fuck Up, Asshole!” Preferably, in Morse Code as they’re smacking it out on his head with a two by four!

      • Badgerite

        Ah. Funny you should mention it.

  • I can’t wait for Thursday’s show to hear your take on the story about the writer who got canned at The Intercept. Well, I can wait, but it won’t be easy.

    • We talked about it on the Post Mortem Show.