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RELM_buttonWhat Could Possibly Go Wrong: No Shows Next Week; Susan Sarandon Joins the Bernie or Bust Effort; The Underpants Gnome Business Model; The Two Party System; Trump's Campaign Manager Turns Himself In; Trump's Campaign Manager's Lawyer Allegedly Bit a Stripper; Charles Blow Responds to Sarandon; The Revolution; Guns at the GOP Convention; Bill Maher Attacks Emory University Snowflakes; Gen X Accountability; HA Goodman's Stupid Headline of the Day; and more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.



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  • One of the really dumb things “Progressives” do is omit/ignore the importance of getting people out to vote so they can support/reinforce their decision to vote for Prez by voting for US Reps & County Supervisors & School Boards & Mayors & State Reps etc etc etc.

    Assuming Hillary gets the nod and goes on to win the General Election, we can expect nothing to change if she’s stuck having to deal with the same buncha coconuts Obama’s had to put up with.

    I’m a Bernie guy – I’m also not stoopid. If I’m sure enough that Hillary’s gonna win it, I might hafta write in Paul F Tompkins or whatever, but I’m sure AF gonna vote for (practically) every Democrat with a pulse – or some without if that’s what I gotta do.

    At the very least, if I don’t get Bernie, I have to try to put somebody in Congress to pull Hillary from “the left” – to keep her NeoLiberal shit under control – to keep her a little more honest – to push her to do the progressive things we have to get Government to start doing again.

    Throw a tantrum, stay home, allow a GOP clown to get elected, and I’m gonna personally egg all y’all’s cars.

    Stay together. Work Together. Get shit done.

    • Scopedog

      Throw a tantrum, stay home, allow a GOP clown to get elected, and I’m gonna personally egg all y’all’s cars.

      ^This. I may have to join you if it comes to that…:)

  • Villemar

    Just got to this. WRT overprotective Gen X parents, some of that might be overcompensation from adult latch key children. Personally, as a latch key kid myself, I’m glad I was essentially feral. But it could be a pendulum effect:

    WW2 Generation raised Boomer kids, who upon reaching adulthood adults didn’t want to impose the white picket fence / nuclear family ideal on their kids, so many gave their Gen X kids more freedom and independence, often to the point of treating them like miniature adults and leaving them be.

    Some Gen X parents didn’t want to impose the latch key / treat kids like little adults parenting method, so they overcompensated by being overprotective.

    So that plus the media fear factor effect might help explain the helicopter parent syndrome.

  • Badgerite

    Trump would probably put Amorosa on the Supreme Court.

    • muselet



      • Badgerite

        Shudder, indeed.

  • notachezfan

    According to NCMEC there are over 2,000 kidnappings per day in America. Which is way more than the 1 every 8,000 years that Chez said. You big dummy. And what’s wrong with wearing a helmet on a bike? I grew up in the 1970’s and 1980’s riding a bike without a helmet and no head injury occur, but I also wiped out plenty of times and got lucky I didn’t bust my dome.

  • Victor the Crab

    I just read your column about Susan Sarandon at Salon, Bob. And HOO-BOY, the commenters there are weapons grade delusional. They actually think such a scenario is doable and will succeed. How do you get into those hollow heads and kick their pea sized brains around?

  • katanahamon

    Wish your picture for this show was the mannequin of Susan Sarandon from “Team America”, with her holding an assault rifle.

    The whole “if Sanders doesn’t win I’m gonna blow it up” is no more than sour grapes. I worry about Sanders laying out “demands” for his endorsement of Hillary. If he doesn’t endorse her, it would be gross irresponsibility on his part.

    Can’t we demand mental testing of presidential candidates? I think a 72 hour psych hold on Trump would be illuminating.

  • Badgerite

    About that Nader vote. Go. And sin no more.

  • Badgerite

    So, if Bernie Sanders is somehow elected president we will somehow not have the death penalty or privately run for profit prisons? How? The death penalty is imposed by the states through their own penal codes of which their are 50. The Supreme Court has ruled that capital punishment, the death penalty, is constitutional.
    There are some voices on the Supreme Court that are beginning to give signals that they would like to reconsider the issue. All of them are appointments by a Democratic president. So. When she says ‘revolution’ what the hell is she talking about? A violent overthrow of our system or some magic unicorn dust that makes everyone suddenly agree with you and do what you want? A violent overthrow results in 1) killing , 2) usually indiscriminate, and an uncertain result ( the possibly a right wing dictatorship). No Bill of Rights or Supreme Court or any of that presumption of innocence stuff. What the hell are these people taking? Ah! Magic Unicorn Dust.
    I expect grown adults to have a somewhat better grip on reality than that. I have seen video of this woman waiting to greet Syrian refugees fleeing by boat. Rich and comfortable or not, I know her heart is in the right place. But has she even considered that what is going on in Syria is a long awaited ‘revolution’. And the results have not been good.
    The American system is not broken. It is in the process, as it always is, of being retooled. Which direction that process takes will depend on many things and one of the most important things is which governing, or in the case of the GOP, non governing, philosophies takes power. And for any philosophy to do so requires a certain level of solidarity and maturity. I am not now nor will I ever be willing to ‘write the country off’ like that. I believe too much in the principles that were established during its revolution and its one Civil War. If she doesn’t, I suggest she look around the world some more and reconsider.

    • muselet

      Well said.


      • Badgerite

        Thanks. I love Charles Blow. More Charles Blow please.
        Eyes on the Prize.

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    Wonderful show this week guys—-Sorry I’m so late with this, but I got really busy yesterday, and listened to you so late I had to go straight to bed when done. But I had to tell ya this a.m. it was great! Looking forward to Thurs. show, enjoy your well-deserved week off. Going to listen to Miller, Ward and Overton do “smeary-guy”.

  • Aynwrong

    “This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and even it can inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it’s nothing but wires and lights in a box. There is a great and perhaps decisive battle to be fought against ignorance, intolerance and indifference. This weapon of television could be useful.”
    Edward R Murrow, one time employee of CBS


    “”It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS”
    Leslie Moonves, current head of CBS, describing Donald Trump.

    What a difference a couple of decades make.

    • Victor the Crab

      As I’ve said before, the spirits of both Murrow and Walter Cronkite need to haunt Leslie Moonves a la Freddie Kruegar.

      • Aynwrong


  • HilaryB

    Congrats on your upcoming nuptials. I hear Sweden is nice this time of year. 🙂

    Enjoy your time off!

  • muselet

    Susan Sarandon has seemed politically smart in the past, as least most of the time. This time, though, she said something ineffably stupid. No, I tell a lie, she said several ineffably stupid somethings, and thereby demonstrated she has almost zero understanding of politics or reality or much of anything else of consequence.

    As Charlie Pierce said yesterday about similarly addlepated analysis, “Get glib with your own life, fool. There are people and things out there for whom this choice is life-and-death.”

    Charles Blow makes a whole lot of sense. I’m a bit surprised the New York Times hasn’t forced him to shoehorn some Both Sides gibberish into his commentaries.

    “The entire Trump campaign is a freak show.” From top to bottom, Bob. However, the overwhelming media hunger for ratings is only part of the reason Donald Trump hasn’t been hooted out of the race; mostly, it’s his unshakable supporters, who’ve decided a reality-TV star and failed businessman should run the country.

    Of course, none of that explains the crazies on the campaign’s staff. I suppose the short-fingered vulgarian has to surround himself with people like that so he can seem the calm, rational one.

    The gun petition was absolutely brilliant trolling. I do wish the Secret Service had held off saying anything for at least a few more days—maybe long enough to get Ted Cruz and various GOP officials on the record—but they’re not going to let our fun interfere with their jobs.

    “What do you think would happen if you had an auditorium full of gun-totin’, angry Republicans?” Talking Points Memo commenter “sniffit”:

    Haha…I can’t help thinking the place would’ve sounded like a fucking Jiffy Pop by the 3rd round of voting if it ends up contested.

    There’s not a lot wrong with Bernie Sanders’s economic positions. I have quibbles with some policy proposals and some of his numbers don’t come within hailing distance of reality, but conceptually, he’s on the right track. He hasn’t really given any thought to other policy areas, though, and as you guys say, the Rs would eat him alive in the general. That’s even before we consider whether he could manage to get any of his policies passed in a divided or even majority-R Congress.

    “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.” I wouldn’t go that far, but yeah, Sanders would get turned into the reincarnation of Josef Stalin between the convention and the election.

    I’m sure Bill Maher was the toughest sonofabitch at Cornell—which is, to repurpose a Jon Stewart barb, like being the thinnest kid at fat camp—who could take on Socrates himself in a debate, was secure in his identity, and had very nuanced political views which he could articulate clearly and unhesitatingly. Good on him. Most people aged 18–22 are none of those things. I wasn’t (and, as I’ve said, I have a decade on both of you), and I’ll bet a cookie neither of you guys were, either.

    Was what happened at Emory an overreaction? Probably. Does it have any conceivable effect on anyone who doesn’t attend or work at Emory? No. Is there any reason to keep banging this particular little tin drum?

    Enjoy your week off, guys.

    (Bob, you missed Chez’s “asshole” at 4:39.)


    • MrDHalen

      I’m having a tough time understanding how the logic in the “Sanders can’t pass legislation in a divided or even a majority-R Congress” works for Clinton. Can you explain it to me? To a Bernie Nut, yes they will be disappointed when Sanders can’t get his policies passed word for word, but normal Democrats who understand how policy is passed, know you should start “Way-Left” and be forced towards the middle. The concern with Clinton and many of the current DNC leadership is this idea that we start negotiating way to close to the middle and get pulled over the middle to the right by Republicans. I just don’t see how me as a Democrat is suppose to be okay with that kind of negotiation.

      The second case against Sanders I don’t follow, is the idea once the GOP starts throwing mud in the general, Sanders would be dead. Once you explain what a Democratic Socialist is to people, they don’t tend to run from it, at least not the majority. I thought most Democrats where Democratic Socialist and we should be proud of it and reminding the nation how important it is to restore our socialist entities, like policy, fire, transportation, electrical grid. Democrats have been running away from the scary idea of being called “socialist” for so long, that we can’t defend our unions, schools, museums, and public universities anymore. The Cold War is over and has been for a long time. We need to stand up and fight the GOP and change the narrative in this country back to “I am my brother’s keeper” and away from “I got mine, so f*** you!”. The GOP is going to bring the kitchen sink against anybody we put up there and most of it will be untrue. We elected a black man in United States of America, I think a Democratic Socialist or a woman can survive the GOP.

      Help me understand these arguments, because I really respect your opinions.


      • muselet

        First, let me repeat that I have no real quarrel with Bernie Sanders’s overall economic positions.

        I will admit my comment about getting legislation through Congress was somewhat … erm … gratuitous. No D President will get a single R vote for any item on his/her agenda for the foreseeable future; it’s not unique to Sanders, so I should really not have mentioned it. Since I did, though, the one advantage Hillary Clinton has over Sanders with regards to getting an agenda passed is that she’s an actual Democrat. That means she would have more sway over the congressional Ds—especially from red states—than Sanders would.

        It’s not much, but it’s not nothing.

        As far as the general election campaign, the GOP and its surrogates—hi, Fox News Channel!—would turn “democratic socialist” into “socialist,” then would turn “socialist” into “communist,” then would turn “communist” into “Marxist,” then “Marxist” into “the love child of Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, midwifed by Pol Pot,” all within about nought point two of a second. There would be endless yammer about the honeymoon in the godless commie Soviet Union (it was a working trip to Yaroslavl, a sister city of Burlington, and they went as members of a 12-person delegation), whispers about his Jewishness (even though he’s not particularly observant), and repetition of his assertion that Burlington had a foreign policy. “Un-American” would be one of the nicer things he’d be called.

        And that’s just FNC and the—for want of a better word—legitimate Righty media. Right Blogostan would lose its proverbial. And our glorious news media would never explain—or give him a chance to explain—what a democratic socialist is, because that would be boring and covering the food fight would get big ratings.

        Bernie Sanders is proud of never having run a negative campaign, preferring to run on the strength of his ideas (which, as I keep saying, are good, at least as long as we’re talking economics). That simply won’t work against the modern GOP, and neither will his reluctance to approach potential large donors.

        It wouldn’t be all unicorns and rainbows for Hillary Clinton, either. The Right will dig up and distort everything she’s done since she was out of diapers. She’ll be called everything from “lying bitch” to “communist.” We’ll get to relive the thrilling days of Whitewater and the Great Penis Chase. We’ll hear about her email server, again and again and again. Et bleedin’ cetera.

        There are two differences between her and Sanders: she’s been through this crap before, and she’s willing to throw elbows if she has to.

        Could I be underestimating Bernie Sanders’s capacity to be ruthless? Yes. Am I? I don’t know. All I know for sure is I wish it weren’t necessary to think this way.

        As a philosophical matter, I don’t disagree with a word you wrote. We on the Left need to defend public investment—defend the commons—against the Right’s ceaseless agitation to privatize everything. We need to defend the very notion of society against glibertarian nonsense.

        And we as a nation need to stop treating e pluribus unum as if it were some quaint relic.

        As a practical matter, I think 2016 isn’t the year for grand gestures, for advancing whatever revolution Susan Sarandon was talking about, it’s the year to consolidate the gains of the past eight years.

        I know I didn’t convince you of anything, but I do hope you understand my reasoning a little better.


        • MrDHalen

          You short change yourself by thinking you can’t convince me of anything. 🙂 I have been reading your comments for years and have come to respect the way you source your opinions, which is why I wanted you know how came to them. Your honesty and breakdown here is why I asked you and will continue to flush out my thinking and reasoning with someone like you. Thanks again for responding. I think your response was great and it did help me.

          • muselet

            Aw, shucks, yer makin’ me blush.


      • i_a_c

        but normal Democrats who understand how policy is passed, know you
        should start “Way-Left” and be forced towards the middle. The concern
        with Clinton and many of the current DNC leadership is this idea that we
        start negotiating way to close to the middle and get pulled over the
        middle to the right by Republicans.

        I think this is a simplistic view of negotiating stance. If I’m making an offer on a new car, I can’t say $500 and get a better deal than if I made a more reasonable offer. Now, if you have blackmail or something, then that $500 offer will get you a lot further.

        It’s about leverage. It’s a common refrain that single payer should have been proposed then “compromised” on a public option. Neither of those things would have passed because Joe Lieberman was in the Senate, from the home of the insurance industry, Connecticut. The idea that Joe Lieberman was going to vote for something that potentially hurt his constituency just because single payer was proposed seems odd to me. As the 60th vote (well, multiple ppl took turns being the 60th vote), he had all the leverage.

        • MrDHalen

          I am not one of those people who thought we were going to push single payer through that congress. I don’t think your car purchase argument matches here. Public policy is not the same as a physical item like a car. Public policy is more tied to services & rules versus something on a shelf. Public policy involves the public and what my argument is saying is that Democrats have to own and advertise our core values. And don’t think I mean purity, but we need to stand up to the Rights screaming of their core values with our own and let the public choose. Right now, I don’t think our leadership is doing that. We’re not going to get everything we want, but we are losing the economic battle for this country to the GOP as is.

          • i_a_c

            I am not one of those people who thought we were going to push single payer through that congress.

            I know. It was the most obvious example that came to mind–some liberals cite the health care fight when they say that Democrats “start negotiating way too close to the middle.” I only chose the car analogy and the health care fight as an illustration of leverage, and why an opening offer is almost irrelevant. Well, unless you offer to pay sticker price.

            And I agree about how we need to emphasize our core values. It’s interesting–I am now living in a blue state (MD) for the first time in my entire life, and there’s a compelling Senate primary between Chris Van Hollen and Donna Edwards. And all the ads are either about who is the most progressive or who can get things done. It works in blue states! It doesn’t work like this everywhere.

            I do think that Democrats do poorly sending their surrogates out to have the president’s back or to defend their own accomplishments. In the Bush admin, not a day went by without some jackass going on TV and saying if you’re not supporting us you’re with al-Qaeda. I wish we had half that much enthusiasm on our side. On the other hand, it doesn’t help when the media writes down Republican talking points and reports “both sides”.

            And the jobs of Democratic leaders is harder. We actually have to do stuff. Republicans cynically do nothing, let government services deteriorate, then blame “the government.” Half the country still believes the welfare queen garbage. Half the country still doesn’t want their money going to those people. So in order to stay politically viable we have to find a way to accomplish our goals in a way that we can sell it to the middle 20%.

            I think we’re getting there, and Sanders’ run suggests that we’re close. We haven’t overcome Reaganomics and Republican propaganda yet.

          • MrDHalen

            Great reply! Thank you. We’re have a long way to go and a lot of minds to change to overcome the damage of Reaganomics. As much as I would like it to be Sanders time, the voters just aren’t there yet. We will get there and I would rather do it through our current system versus some violent revolution. My fear is that history of overcoming powerful, wealthy, entrenched interest has often been violent. I so hope that is not our future. Not worried for me, but my kids.

  • KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker

    Lets never forget what delusional fanatics can do to our democratic process, our entire nation and the world.