Bob and Chez Show

The Bob & Chez Show Presented By BubbleGenius.com 7/26/16

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Bob and Chez
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RELM_buttonTrump Putin 2016: Putin and the Russians Behind the DNC Leak Story; The Story of the Year; Bernie or Bust People Aren't Seeing the Big Picture; Sarah Silverman Nails Busters; The Progressive Party Platform; Bernie Sanders and The Real World; Tim Kaine is Hillary's VP Nominee; Debbie Wasserman Schultz Steps Down; and more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the BobCesca.com Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.

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  • josephebacon

    WHO YOU GONNA CALL?

  • Great point about email hacks, and dox dumps etc – seem there’s never anything included that might be considered exculpatory. Stopping long enough to think about it may be in order.

  • Gussie Jives

    I was there with you guys on everything, right up until Chez’s unnecessary slam on both millennials (I know, I know, not all, not all) and the naked contempt for “fee-fees” as he so childishly puts it.

    Like it or not, the GOP and the Right-wing entertainment complex has succeeded wildly at capturing a significant segment of the American populace. How? By appealing to the very feelings of anxiety and marginalization that globalization and the race to the bottom have wrought upon them over the past 40 years.

    Cold numbers are useless without a story behind them. Every decision you make, even those backed up by stone cold facts, have feelings behind them. Take any debate about climate change. You’re not going to convince somebody looking at a line on a graph. You have to tell them exactly how it’s going to change their lives and the lives of those the world over. THAT is what will grab their attention.

    It’s frustrating when those feelings fly in the face of demonstrable reality. I’ve had plenty of debates with conservative friends and co-workers so I know just what it’s like. It’s even more frustrating when the stupidity is coming from people who should know better. But I’ll tell you, I’m willing to forgive the foolish naivite of a 23-year-old kid likely working her first election. She has another 60 or so years of political activism. She hasn’t had the four decades of talk radio to build her entire identity around, to construct an entire alternate universe where somebody can say with confidence that Barack Obama is a Reverend Wright-watching Muslim Atheist and an effete weakling tyrant all in the same breath. That kind of epistemic closure takes decades to foment and more than that, it takes isolation from those who would threaten that narrative. Those of us who hew to the left side of the political spectrum meet people of all races, genders and appearances and we realize that we don’t need to other them and be afraid they’re going to take away everything we hold dear. Ashley Andreas certainly realizes that much. Whatever distrust she has for Hillary Clinton cannot possibly compare to the Fox News bubble and it’s important to point that out in any discussion about the die-hard Bernie supporters.

    And don’t think for a second, **for a single second** that you are above petty feelings, Chez. I’ve seen and even attempted to counter the confirmation bias you have against concepts such as microaggressions and safe spaces. I’ve explained both in response to your repeated articles, yet those FACTS never seem to sink in. So you’re as guilty of allowing feelings to dictate your opinions as any of us, myself included!

    Because ultimately, you cannot separate emotion from the logical centers of your decision making. They are interlinked. We’re not Vulcans, guys.

  • katanahamon

    The discussion you guys had about “feelings” is interesting. I think it is a factor in many of the problems we are experiencing. The media and social media bubbles reinforce people’s “feelings” and encourages them to have a false view of well, basically how the world, especially the political world works. Take the Berniebusters..they “feel” their candidate should have won, was “cheated” by a “rigged” system by a “corrupt” Hillary and a “devious and manipulative DNC.” These things get reinforced, voila..they’re walking out as Hillary is nominated. We can expand this idea into many areas of modern existence..like how right wingers “feel” climate change is a hoax, or that we are being over run by illegal alien terrorist rapists. These bubbles have replaced verifiable facts and the scientific method with “comfortable feelings” which require no work to either understand on their own, or to be discussed and compromised upon with an opposing political party.

    This is a primary factor as to why we have lost or are losing any ability to have rational, civil discourse and compromise. Compromise isn’t necessary when you “feel” you are right and no other opinions (or scientific facts) are, according to your own feelings, correct or worthy of being listened to. This is why there is continued polarization to the extremes of left and right. According to people’s “feelings” things are black and white, right or wrong, why bother compromising when it pulls you out of your comfort zone?

    Bernie’s people’s “feelings” didn’t allow them to learn about how party politics work, or to consider the fact that he might lose and being a member of a party requires certain compromises, like supporting the winner. It’s absolutely juvenile, selfish behavior.

    • Victor the Crab

      Did you watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver? He highlighted Newt Gingrich’s interview on CNN where he says a person’s own feelings top any stone cold facts brought forward by liberals. Gingrich showed how he was an even bigger slimy turdball than previously with insight like that. Shows how the far left and the far right have met and are doing a circle jerk with each other.

      • muselet

        Accurate.

        Ewwwww! But accurate.

        –alopecia

      • Gussie Jives

        You say “far left” and I turn around and look for a member of the half-dozen Communist parties looking to turn the means of production over to the state. Would you not consider that the actual polar opposite of a Theocrat trying to gut Planned Parenthood while privatizing everything in sight?

        That doesn’t compare to some kids who have invested the last several months into something they thought bigger than themselves and ended up losing. Cut ’em a break.

        • Victor the Crab

          Fuck you, you batshit asshole! Those brats spent all their time pumping up Bernie Sanders while demonizing Hillary Clinton at the same time, describing her as if she was America’s greatest monster. Now, they’re throwing a massive temper tantrum in Philadelphia and elsewhere and not even Sanders himself can control them. They’ve become the Tea Party of the left. It’s going to be on their heads if Drumph manages to win this one in a squeaker,

          • Gussie Jives

            The Tea Party was just a rebranding of the same ol’ Republican Party faithful, but was backed by Koch Brothers money via Americans For Prosperity and through Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks. It actually elected Congresspeople to office.

            These are delegates expressing discontent in the system. Bad optics, I agree, scant proof, I agree, but hardly the same as the Tea Party. Revisit them in a month; most will have made peace with what’s happened.

            I’ll forgive the name calling.

          • Victor the Crab

            I would certainly hope so.

    • Gussie Jives

      Don’t make the mistake of posting that as if there’s any reasonable comparison between Ashley Andreas and a 30 year Rush Limbaugh devotee. Remember, when Andreas was a one-year-old infant, Limbaugh was receiving a plaque on the floor of the House and was called the “Majority Maker.”

      Conservatives have had a long time and a lot of crackpot billionaire money to build their bubble. Facebook is powerful, but it’s always in a state of flux; a new voice can spread rapidly and “go viral” more quickly that pundits can catch on to. There’s no comparing Fox Nation or The Blaze to USUncut.

  • muselet

    A foreign power is trying to influence an American election and what much of our glorious news media wants to talk about is how the DNC was mean to Bernie Sanders in internal emails. Good grief.

    Vladimir Putin displays all the characteristics of sociopathy, which is why Donald Trump would be attracted to him even if the past two decades of the short-fingered vulgarian’s career as a real estate developer hadn’t been bankrolled by Russians. Trump recognizes a kindred spirit.

    For Putin, the Cold War is the good old days.

    I can’t decide of Trump doesn’t understand or doesn’t care that everything he’s said he’d do as President would be a disaster for not only the US but also the rest of the world.

    Bob, the articles I’ve seen indicate Trump didn’t get a convention bounce, or at least not much of one. Even if he did, though, that’s to be expected. Let’s wait a week or so before drawing too many conclusions.

    Ashley Andreas shows exactly the starry-eyed callowness of youth we should all expect (if you’re anything like me, good lord, what a naive chucklehead you were in your early 20s!). I like the idea that she’s running for state office, too. In a couple of election cycles, when she’s in her mid-20s, she might have enough real-world experience to be worthy of being elected.

    Chez, I don’t think “cynicism” is the correct word. Here’s why.

    “You vote for other people if you are among a protected class.” Well said, Chez.

    I’m old enough to remember when Rs blasted Ds for being head-in-the-clouds fools for not paying attention to the real world. How things have changed.

    “Is there an open bar there?” Chez, I think you’re onto something.

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz has, to my way of thinking, gotten a bum rap—does anyone still use that expression?—these past ten months or so. No, she’s not as progressive as she might be and yes, she’s been less than enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders (who, let us not forget, wasn’t a D until he got serious about running for President) and yes, she wasn’t a big proponent of the fifty-state strategy, but the amount of hatred directed at the woman has been astonishing.

    Tim Kaine isn’t exciting. Then again, he’s utterly non-controversial. Given our glorious news media’s collective hard-on for anyone named “Clinton,” that’s a very good thing.

    –alopecia

    • Victor the Crab

      Bob, the articles I’ve seen indicate Trump didn’t get a convention bounce, or at least not much of one. Even if he did, though, that’s to be expected. Let’s wait a week or so before drawing too many conclusions.

      At least give us a moment to get all of our freakout expunged from ourselves (and replaced with lots of hard liquor) before we come to our senses, mmmkay?

      • muselet

        That’s cool, as long as all y’all do come to your senses. After you sober up, that is.

        –alopecia

        • Victor the Crab

          Might be awhile. I’m loaded on vodka and hard black spiced rum, as we speak. 😉

          • muselet

            Take your time. The electiion isn’t for another three months and a bit.

            –alopecia

  • Scopedog

    My God…I just took a peek at H.A. Goodman’s Twitter feed….he’s insane. He is completely and utterly insane. How the fuck can he have so many followers?

    • Victor the Crab

      Because too many of Goofman’s followers believe in what this slaphead says.

  • Aynwrong

    Last night Chris Mathews was hosting a round table discussion on the subject of the hacked DNC e-mails. Almost all of the conversation was about the nature of the e-mails. The DNC’s alleged bias against Bernie Sanders. That was the big story as far as Mathews is concerned.

    When Joy Reid brought up the likelihood that Russia did this because of the fact that Trump so clearly favors Putin to the point of threatening to do away with NATO she was shouted down by Michael Steel. He said “that’s crazy.” The idea just wasn’t taken seriously.

    Later Mathews asked if this was Watergate. Now, I might be wrong but I got the impression that he didn’t mean the actual hack but rather the nature of the very few e-mails that were directed against Sanders.

    So this is the liberal media huh?…

    Side note: I bet it must have been very satisfying for Steele to toss the word crazy at a liberal for once. Even if it was completely unjustified.

    • Victor the Crab

      Fuck, I hate Matthews.

  • katanahamon

    And it has to be said again..that bubble you guys are talking about was reinforced by Bernie himself far past his expiration date. His ship, the HMS Fantasyland had a full head of steam and Bernie cut the engine way too late, now the ship is plowing through the dock and headed inland. (Sorry, didn’t know how far to take that…). Bernie deserves all those boos he’s been getting, and maybe it’s a wake up call to him that he needs to exert himself more for damage control, and unity.

  • katanahamon

    It’s become de rigeur or simply accepted that whatever gets hacked or uncovered is immediately public property, must see items. Apparently, there is no respect for privacy anymore. Also, it must still be said that idiots put things into writing and emails that they shouldn’t, but still..isn’t it time to have a discussion about exactly where our morals should lie on these issues?

    And what about simply accepting hacked material at face value as truth, and the responsibility of people like Assange?

    Trump should not be getting any information that is secret which could benefit his business dealings, that’s just common sense.

  • Badgerite

    I have always thought that Bernie Sanders let himself get drawn into the GOP line of attack on the Democratic party. And he has. It was always a danger that he took far too lightly. And he has led his people down this path. There was a Iowa precinct captain for Bernie who was interviewed and he made it clear that he was not going to vote for the nominee of the party. And the reason. “She sticks her finger in the wind to see which way the wind blows”. Uh huh. Well, if you are part of a social movement, otherwise known as the ‘revolution’, that is exactly what you want. Someone who will actually respond to the aims of your movement as opposed to someone who clearly will not. What Hilary Clinton, (not ‘Hilary’, Mrs. Clinton or Senator or Secretary to you) has shown by the platform process, which as Bernie Sanders says, has resulted in the most progressive platform in Democratic party history, is that she will do that if she has the backing in Congress. Dumb-ss (Pardon my French). As the most progressive president in the history of the United States (FDR for those of you who are historically ‘challenged’) said, “I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.” That is how things get done in America. Versus not getting done. And that is exactly what Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton bring to the top spot. And for anyone who is actually about getting something done, like Sanders, versus admiring themselves and their moral purity in the mirror, like you, that is what you need at the top It is a shame that Sanders allowed himself to be dragged down the vilification of your opponent road. Hopefully, he can still carry some sway with his people, because we need them to see their own self interest in this election and in Hilary Clinton as president. They really do need to come down from ‘the Bern’ and start to interface with the actual reality of American history and politics if they ever want to get anything done.

  • Badgerite

    The GOP, under the Trump Monster, has become the party of appeasement. Period. At least Neville Chamberlain could speak English in whole sentences. No tweets. Putin has Russian forces sitting on the border with those Baltic states that are part of NATO. All he needs is to know, as the Orange Idiot has made clear would be his inclination, is that the US and NATO would not respond to, what would be, a Russian invasion of these states.

  • The whole Russian connection pissed me off but Trump calling Putin and the Chinese his friends?! I was speechless..WTF!!!! It’s like I fell asleep and woke up in Hell. Herr Drumpf is a Useful Idiot for Putin (see attached pic).

    • Aynwrong

      To paraphrase the British take on Tony Blair: Putin’s poodle.

      • Badgerite

        Orange Poodle.

    • Badgerite

      I begin to think he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and the GOP would find a reason why that is alright. Amazing. Like Pavlov’s dogs.

      • Maybe we should add to our lexicon “Bell Ringing”? 🙂

        • Aynwrong

          *drool*

          • Sorry I’m out of that brand of kibble, Purina’s Crazy Chow (TM)