Bob and Chez Show

The Bob & Chez Show Presented By 9/27/16

Bob and Chez
Written by Bob and Chez

RELM_buttonThe First Debate: It's a complete recap of the first debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump; Birtherism; Trump's temperament; Trump's tax returns; The Iraq War; Hillary's presidential look; Trump's excuses; The Eff You Election; and more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, Harry's Razors, the Amazon Link and The Bowen Law Group.


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  • Mark

    I don’t think it’s coke he’s snorting, but Adderall

  • Can you imagine ANYONE wanting to be like Drumpf? I don’t care how much money he has, I wouldn’t want to be him–who consciously wants to be an asshole? I just don’t get it.

    Edited to add: the not facing his opponent when listening to him or her is a subconscious act showing his lack of respect. I’ve especially noticed it in regards to women. I have a guy at work who hates me and does this to me almost every time I speak, even when I speak directly to him. And I’m not sure the guy at work even knows he does it.

  • Never watch the “after analysis” unless you want to lose my mind. That anorexic barbie on the CNN panel actually said the fact that Clinton prepared was bad. And no one told her to STFU. I just can’t do cable news anymore.

  • While appreciate Holt going after him on the Birther thing, Trump still ran roughshod over the time limits and Holt was not able to control. If it were me, I’d give the moderator the ability to turn off their mic when they go over time (after some fair warning, of course).

    • muselet

      In fairness, candidates running over time limits happens every presidential (and vice-presidential) debate. Not saying it’s right, just that it’s common.


      • I know but everyone is else is usually pretty polite about it. Drumpf was downright rude to Holt. Not that I expected anything less from the orange toad.

  • muselet

    I had every intention of doing what I usually do for presidential debates: have the TV on in the background while I do other things. Last night was different. Not only did I watch the debate, I was toggling back and forth between Kevin Drum and Josh Marshall, who were liveblogging it.

    Don’t get me wrong, there were very few surprises apart from how quickly Hillary Clinton got under Donald Trump’s very thin orange skin, but I couldn’t take my eyes off it.

    “It is funny how inarticulate he is.” I don’t know if I’d call it funny, exactly, but it is remarkable. He went to good universities and, more important, he’s a con artist. An inarticulate con artist is usually about as much use as a chocolate teapot, yet he manages somehow to pull off his swindles.

    Kellyanne Conway is great at spin, but there’s only so much she can do in that regard because of who she has as a client. Hell, some of the hosts of political yak shows have started pointing out when and where her account deviates from objective reality. That’s nearly unheard of.

    Frank Luntz convened a focus group and by 16–6 they felt Clinton won the debate. A Frank Luntz focus group! That’s a result the Trump campaign will have trouble hand-waving away.

    Lester Holt did a good job as moderator. He was calm and informed, and Trump is naturally howling about how unfair! Hold was to him.

    When he’s challenged, Trump babbles. It’s better than flinging his poo and yodeling, I suppose, but he doesn’t seem to realize just how unconvincing his walls of nonsense are. His explanation, if that be the right word, for his birferism is a good example.

    Chez, you’re echoing John Oliver’s plea to internet commenters at the end of his net neutrality segment a couple of years ago: “Good evening, monsters. This may be the moment you’ve spent your whole lives training for.”

    Clinton was absolutely correct about Trump’s taxes. If he released his returns, the world would see him as the sleazy little grifter he is, and that’s a blow his ego couldn’t handle.

    Charlie Pierce this morning:

    Dear Millennials and/or Undecided Voters: If you vote for this man, you are an incredible pack of pinheads. If you need to wrap yourself in an elite political media that has been your warm and comforting blankie all year, have at it. But remember, by being Undecided, you are telling us you can’t decide between a flawed but highly qualified woman and a vulgar talking yam who doubles down on his criticism of the looks of a woman who’s never done anything to him except win a beauty contest.

    Trump is who he is. Occasionally, he stays on-message (and on-prompter) and sounds vaguely sane. He managed that trick for maybe five minutes on Monday before he got bored and irritated, and tried to assert himself as the alpha male of the troop (to lift an observation from Jane Goodall). What we saw in debate number one is what we’ll see in debates two and three, assuming he doesn’t refuse to participate.

    Why would anyone vote for Donald Trump? I can’t find it (figures, right?), but someone took a stab at that question a couple of weeks ago. Basically, Trump’s supporters are largely white men who are no longer an automatic majority in the country, but there are enough of them that they feel they should still be in charge. Since they don’t feel they have any say in things, they’re willing to burn the world down instead (whoever it was likened them to the House Freedom Caucus). In short, because of a bunch of honkies’ bruised fee-fees, we may all be looking down the barrel of a Trump administration, lucky us. So yeah, it is pretty much the “fuck you” election.

    (Bob, you missed Chez’s fucking at 21:15. It was appropriate and there’s that little “E” in iTunes, but still …)


    • Scopedog

      Props to Charlie Pierce for what he wrote–but I think “pack of pinheads” is too nice. “Fucking asshole shithead snowflake idiots” would be much, much better.

  • Aynwrong

    Trump says so many crazy things there’s usually something that gets lost in the mix. Last night it was when Clinton brought up Trump’s recent threat to open fire upon Iranians if the flip off American sailors and the fact that this could start a war. Trump’s response: “It’s not gonna start a war.” He just tossed that out there and Holt never asked him about it and everyone else seems to have missed it. Maybe Holt missed it. I don’t know what’s more terrifying, that his supporters might actually believe him or that they just don’t care.

    • Scopedog

      I don’t know what’s more terrifying, that his supporters might actually believe him or that they just don’t care.

      For me it’s both. And then there are those on the Left who are running to Stein or Johnson who are constantly ragging on Clinton while brushing off Trump, claiming that if he got into office it wouldn’t be a big deal.

      That sounds familiar; I heard a similar argument from Naderites back in 2000. They were far harsher on Gore while ignoring the real threat that Bush posed. And even after 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq they fell back on the excuse of “Well, Gore would’ve been worse.” Of course they never explained how this was possible.

      • Aynwrong

        Ralph Nader offen used the phrase “not a dime’s worth of difference” as a description of the two parties. 4,424 American soldiers would still be with us had Al Gore been elected.

        I don’t know what else to say.

  • Lady Willpower

    Bone to pick for Bob-

    Lester Holt is not African-American. He’s English-Indian-Jamaican, nothing African there. So please, stop with this reflexive and clumsy insertion of African-American to describe every person of color. You can just say “black” or “POC,” or “mixed race” in the case of someone like Lester Holt.

    • Scopedog

      Well…technically there is African in Lester, due to his Jamaican side….but I see your point.

      I also did not know this about Mr. Holt–and being Jamaican by birth, I am always interested in famous folk who have Jamaican roots.

      • Lady Willpower

        I think when the connection’s that tenuous, like 10-15 generations in the past, it’s safe to use something other than “African-American” to describe them.
        It’s not as goofy as when people call Idris Elba “African-American” tho, to be sure.

    • Point taken. However, I listed a thousand horrible things about Trump and the political press on today’s show, and this is your take-away?

      • Lady Willpower

        Of course that’s not my takeaway, it’s just a nitpick. Don’t be so sensitive.

  • Badgerite

    The more I see of Hilary Clinton in this election, the more I admire her. She is a class act. Through and through. Character. Competence. Strength and humanity All the good stuff you want in a POTUS.

  • Badgerite

    “She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie……Cocaine.” I’m not saying that. But a lot of people are saying that. I’m just saying.

  • katanahamon

    I don’t know if Trump will agree to a second debate just to get to who he thinks will be a softball moderator, but one strategy might be for Clinton to push hard again, then, issue an ultimatum before the third debate that if he doesn’t release his taxes, no third debate.

    Yes, of course he has no stamina. He’s a liar, a fraud, he projects his own weaknesses onto others. He demanded that the Republicans debate be shortened when there were so many candidates, it narrowed their times to ten minutes apiece. I think you’d see a Trump crater even worse if it had been just two hours instead of ninety minutes.

    It’s..all insane.

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    Oh, Thom Hartmann confirmed it today——–he told the story about being at the Press club dinner the year Pres. Obama went after Rump so hard——he said Louise (H.) went right up to Rump, looked directly at him for a few minutes, turned around to Thom and in a loud voice said “It’s bad plugs”. Thom’s radio show 9/27/16

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    Sane and thinking people saw the same debate you saw, Rump supporters saw the debate through Rump-colored glasses.
    p.s.——-better temperament my ass!!!!

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    Hey, we already had a pres. for 8 years who perpetually looked like a puppy who just heard a new noise. Remember the Shrub?
    I don’t think Conway beat him with a stick, Chez. She just constantly flatters his ego. And he’s soooooo easy!

  • ProudLiberalAlways

    I think it’s VERY important for our president to be an individual who can see the value of preparation and studying the issues! Since when do we live in a country where that is unacceptable? At least to me, it is a good thing until it becomes unnecessary, and I don’t think that’s ever going to happen. The world is just too complex.
    Actually, I think his sense of masculinity and self-worth is totally tied to how “rich” he claims to be. And he isn’t!

  • <—<< Deranged
    • Scopedog

      Hah! Perfect!

  • <—<< Deranged

    lmao – just starting to listen to podcast but love the pic above.. might have to steal that one 🙂