Bob and Chez Show

The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show, 3/26/12

The Anwar Al-Awlaki Killing and Bob Debates Greenwald on Twitter Again; Ron Paul's Mercenary Army; The Contradictions of War and Politics; Healthcare Reform in the Supreme Court; The Individual Mandate Defined; Alexandra Pelosi's New York Welfare Video; False Equivalences; Right Wing Hypocrisy; and much more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius!

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  • JackDaniel07

    I totally “hit the post” during today’s show!
    Ripped a massive bongload just as the BubbleGenius bubbles sounded off!

    • One of us! One of us!

      • JackDaniel07

        Hahah shout at me if you ever come down to SandyEggo!

  • FinninMinn

    Pelosi went to great pains assuring that she didn’t cherry pick the Mississipians interviewed, and that those who didn’t make the final video were in the same mold. In New York, she absolutely cherry picked by standing outside of the welfare office and not moving from that spot.

    It’s like surveying only people at a gun show and marveling that everyone is pro-gun! Or interviewing customers at an organic farmers market and being surprised at how many vegans there are. Basic statistics, sampling and logic. Sheesh. I thought she was smarter than that. And a bit more honest.

  • JMAshby

    The problem with the Pelosi video is that the stereotypes reinforced in New York are invalidated by the record that shows roughly only 2% of food stamps, welfare, etc are wasted on fraudulent claims.

    It’s like if you went out and found some racist Democrats to parade around. They exist but they’re a minority.

    Meanwhile, people voting against their own interests in Mississipi is not a minority, it’s a majority.

  • God forbid anyone but you two attempt nuanced debate, deliberative thinking, adjusting firmly held beliefs when the facts or objective reality call for it. It’s worth engaging even if it’s frustrating, Guys. I think your chemistry is great and your discussions are always interesting.

  • This is a must read for anyone put off by Glenn Greenwald. It is the preface to one of his books where he explains how he supported the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War…and of course, the AUMF in the process. Considering what he says now about President Obama, it shows his hypocrisy and pettiness.

    http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812

    BTW, I disagree with you Bob on how smart he is…maybe clever, in an evil sort of way, but not smart. “Box of rocks” comes to mind…as in dumb as a

    • villemar

      He’s not an idiot, but something’s not right in the head about that guy; be it his obsessive Aspergarianiasm, his binary absolutism, his lack of empathy, I don’t know what.

      • Was it Bob or Chez who came up with the aspergers theory, I think that has a lot of merit to it. GG may have down some techniques for argument, but that doesn’t make him smart, IMO.

        • villemar

          And the lack of just basic, common-sense Dale Carnegie stuff; ie. if you want to win people over to your cause then the best approach might not be to screech and spew venom and bile at them, call them Obots, cultists etc. Or “the dumbest motherfuckers in the world” in the case of Hamsher.

  • villemar

    BTW the first song before the Smashing Pumpkins was REM’s underrated Texarkana…probably my favorite off of that album. Nice choice! (And FWIW I think Mike Mills should have sung lead on more of their songs).

  • Art__VanDalay

    To be fair, I am pretty sure that when Maher introduced the Mississippi video he said they had another one from New York they were going to show the following week. That said I generally agree that the New York one is likely far less representative of the population than the Mississippi one.

  • ranger11

    Did you win the debate? It’s fun to win sometimes. Or is it impossible to win against this fellow? The 1927 Yankees of debaters?

  • Dan_in_DE

    re: Pelosi video

    The equivalecy ends at the fact that she’s feeding two negative stereotypes.

    On one hand you get the the unintentional irony of bigots in Mississippi who are both on the dole and actively fighting social assistance. They’re convinced that programs that primarily help poor, white Mississippians are actually all for lazy welfare queens in their cadillacs and young bucks dealing drugs and buying steaks with their foodstamps. On the other hand you have some black guys joking about Obama bucks, who are keenly aware of their situation. You can’t get a job as a black man with a record. Dealing drugs, which starts out as a lucrative chance to get up out the ghetto, becomes the only opportunity you have, once you’ve gotten locked up for it once.

    I don’t understand why you two are so careful not to mention racism here. You must have thought this over, right? Let me spell it out: only one of the negative stereotypes that Pelosi is feeding is all tied up in and inextricable from a brutal history of racial oppression. Only one of these stereotypes is part of what got innocent people lynched up until half-a-century ago. Only one of these goes hand in hand with the Jim Crow-slavery that Bob has been reporting on the past few weeks. BTW, those are great posts, Bob – keep it up!

    Don’t get me wrong. The first video is harmful, too. It may be born out in the facts more than its counterpart, but it’s also disgusting misrepresentation for a lot of Mississippians. And yet the two videos are not even remotely comparable in the degree of harmfulness. The first video mocks ignorant racists, whereas the second is fanning the flames of white resentment and racial hatred. That’s what pissed me off about Pelosi’s second video.

  • muselet

    Bob, arguing with the Glenn Greenwalds of the world is like banging your head against a wall: it feels so good when you stop. Those who are utterly convinced of the righteousness of their beliefs will never have their minds changed. Let Greenwald and his followers scream and fling their poo on Twitter. Chez is right: laugh it off and ignore the hell out of them.

    Ron Paul wants to outsource fighting war to mercs. Goodness, what could possibly go wrong? (“Eric Prince’s armed frat-boys.” I wish I’d thought of that one.)

    “The best is the enemy of the good,” as Voltaire reminded us. The ACA is good, but not perfect. People moaning about the shortcomings of the law miss the point: it’s the first step, not the final word (and I think I just committed a mixed metaphor).

    Alexandra Pelosi and Bill Maher need to be dope-slapped. Will someone please explain to me why those two are taken seriously?

    I’m with Corebela: please name the artists and titles of the music you play on the podcast, if not on the air at least on the blog. Some of us don’t have eidetic memories with regards to music. Thanks.

    –alopecia

  • Corebela

    A lot of my life was spent under a rock so forgive me for asking this since you guys made it sound pretty well known but what was that song you played that you guys were praising as being one of the best ever? It sounded good and I would like to hear it. Or anyone else who knows please tell me.