Bob and Chez Show

The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show 7/31/13

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Barrel of Skeletons: Anthony Weiner’s Campaign Implodes; Weiner Staffer Blasts Former Intern with Profane Rant; Weiner’s Poll Numbers Collapse; The Bradley Manning Verdict; Responsible Whistleblowing vs Indiscriminate Leaking; The War on Whistleblowers; The Latest Snowden Bombshell Is Predictably Bogus; The Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act; The Greenwald Con; and much more. Brought to you by Bubble Genius, the BobCesca.com Amazon Link and the Bowen Law Group.

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  • Bubble Genius

    Re that Ben Franklin quote, here’s an interpretation of it that’d set the Greemos on their ear. http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/what-ben-franklin-really-said/

  • i_a_c

    I read that Xkeyscore article of Greenwald’s, and I was just waiting and waiting for the buried-deep-in-the-screed caveat to all the outrage. And there it was: NSA analysts require a FISA warrant to surveil any US person. So yeah, no new ground was broken, the story is the same as it always was. The fact that the NSA uses a particular software to query its database is, well, obvious. And if you look at the screenshots, the analyst has to provide justification for every single query.

    Chez’s point about the shitshow that would result if there were another large-scale attack is one I’ve considered myself. Even if you think that the NSA’s data collection is at best unusual, and I have particular reservations about the kind of mass acquisition of data, I would encourage people to maybe look at it from the point of view of the president. Does anybody think that, if the unthinkable were to happen, there would be even one-sixth of the national unity that we experienced after 9/11? I sure don’t. The rightwingers were shrieking about the goddamn Benghazi talking points. If you’re the president, do you stand on principle and risk another attack which may harm the country destroy your legacy, or do you take a failing grade from the Greenwalds of the world for the extra security? Well, there’s a reason that presidents rarely ever give up powers they’ve been granted. This conundrum is particularly relevant to the first black president, who’s doubling as the standard bearer for African-Americans around the country. If President Obama “failed to keep the country safe,” it wouldn’t reflect poorly just on him. Sometimes the world is bigger than just the NSA, and certainly bigger than one presidency.

    I’m so over this NSA stuff. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that it isn’t going anywhere. If it isn’t us, it’s the British GCHQ, which has even greater free reign to conduct surveillance than the NSA, from everything I’ve read. My preferred policy that I’d like to see is introducing a “devil’s advocate” that stands in front of the FISA Court when they consider issues of mass data acquisition and general surveillance policies. Simply the presence of another point of view could help put better standards in place compared to the FISC only hearing the government’s point of view.

  • muselet

    Ed Kilgore is somewhat sympathetic toward Barbara Morgan, or at least understanding about her frustration and anger.

    Not that long ago, I thought Anthony Weiner was a bright guy with a huge ego and an abrasive personality; ego and personality flaws are more or less givens in politicians, and yes, I was grading brightness on a curve (politicians tend not to show up on the right-hand slope of the IQ bell curve), but still I thought he had it in him to be consequential. Now I think he needs to drop out of the mayoral race before someone gets hurt. Go sell Amway or timeshares in Florida, peddle vacuum cleaners door-to-door, doesn’t matter, just find something to do out of the public eye.

    There’s a difference between being a whistleblower and being a leaker. One big difference is that a whistleblower doesn’t hand over a huge number of sensitive documents to someone, especially without knowing exactly what is in those documents. I agree that had Bradley Manning stopped with the “Collateral Murder” video—the New York Times published the basics, but the video makes clear just how horrific that incident was—it would have been easy to consider him a whistleblower.

    “… [T]hese are complicated issues.” Bob, as well you know, there are some people who simply don’t do complication. The comments threads at Banter are proof of that, as well you know. You said it yourself at the top of the show, an ability to perceive nuance and shades of gray is a sign of impurity or even evil.

    The latest Glenn Greenwald bombshell was the third (maybe fourth) story on ABC News tonight, complete with a snippet of an interview with Greenwald insisting that anyone who doesn’t understand how terrible the NSA is and how shocking his latest revelations are is a tool of blah blah blah, oh good lord, give it a rest already. On the bright side, ABC opened not with Greenwald but with Major League Baseball (because the “world” in “World News” covers all fifty states).

    Incidentally, Reza Aslan is a better man than I: he’s willing to cut Lauren Green some slack for her idiotic interview. Hilariously, FNC decided to defend its interview by chatting with none other than L. Brent Bozell III.

    –alopecia

    • ranger11

      Bozell always reminded me of Dr. Zaius from “Planet of the Apes”. I’m actually surprised he’s still alive. Seems like he’s been around forever.

      • muselet

        I’m just immature enough to find Sadly, No!’s treatment of Bozell hilarious. Whatever did smartasses do before Photoshop?

        –alopecia

  • js hooper

    Is Manning a dwarf?

    I’m a short dude…but Manning looks like he’s about 5 ft tall

  • 1933john

    What’s with the fuck’in shades!
    Manning is the only one that looks like a soldier.