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Conservative school boards and lawmakers in states such as Texas and Colorado have alleged that Advanced Placement U.S. History is “anti-American” because it does not censor negative events in our history, but according to Doctor Ben Carson the threat is much greater than any of us realize.

CARSON: “A whole section on slavery and how evil we are. A whole section on Japanese internment camps and how we slaughtered millions of Japanese with our bombs. A whole section on how we wiped out American Indians with no mercy

I mean I think most people, when they finished that course, they’d be ready to go sign up for ISIS. This is what we’re doing to the young people in our nation. And we have got to stop this silliness.

Holy shitballs. You mean an entire generation of young Americans are ready to sign up for ISIS because they learned that slavery was evil?


Given that Advanced Placement U.S History has been offered by the College Board under the Advanced Placement Program since 1955, the threat could be even greater than the esteemed doctor tells us.

If you listen closely you can hear a man in the background laughing his goddamn ass off after Carson says the AP standards will make you want to join ISIS.

I shared the same reaction.

  • Christopher Foxx

    @0:55 “This is what we’re doing to the young people in this nation. And, you know, we have got to stop this silliness…

    On that particular statement, I couldn’t agree with Carson more.

  • Badgerite

    As noted by aynwrong, to follow Carson’s prescriptions for teaching history would put us in the company of country’s like Japan that has yet to even admit of, let alone apologize for, the atrocities perpetrated by them on conquered populations during WWII.
    One of the best things about America has always been its ability to confront the bad in its own society and to try to change that. To know how America progressed in the past is to know something of how it should proceed into the future. The First Amendment is central to that progress and what is enshrined in the First Amendment is the market place of ideas.
    For me, knowing the truth about American history has never diminished my regard for the American experiment. It has only enhanced it.

    • aynwrong

      Appreciate the mention.

      • Badgerite

        Any time.

  • aynwrong

    Does this mean that Germany should not allow its young students to learn about The Holocaust or that Japanese students should never learn of the experiments conducted by military unit 731? Which are sometimes compared to what to was done by Joseph Mengele.
    Would Dr. Carson have American students kept unaware of the Tuskegee Experiments?
    Does the adage of repeating history no longer apply?

  • j hentai

    ben carson is proof that being a brain surgeon doesn’t necessarily mean you’re smart.

    • GrafZeppelin127

      Always keep in mind that this is a performance. He’s saying these things as a character in an improv act.

      • j hentai

        true. but surely a truly intelligent person would try and maintain their dignity and their integrity, especially as he has little or no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the presidency. (unless of course he’s looking for some wingnut welfare to supplement his pension).

        • GrafZeppelin127

          A truly intelligent person would do anything for a buck. He’s not seeking the nomination or the presidency; he’s auditioning for a talk show.

          • j hentai

            point taken!

  • muselet

    Ben Carson was a brilliant surgeon.

    Ben Carson is not a brilliant thinker.

    Does Carson truly believe high school students haven’t already learned the carefully-scrubbed, borderline-hagiographic story of George Washington? Does Carson truly believe high school students shouldn’t be told that US has done some awful—and in some cases very nearly unforgivable—things? Does Carson truly believe high school students will learn to hate their country for knowing a little more about its history?

    If I were a high school student, I’d be mighty offended by Carson’s condescension.


    • Hemidemisemiquaver

      “Ben Carson is not a brilliant thinker.”

      Doesn’t need to be. IMO, he’s pure, unadulterated grifter. He’ll run for the GOP nomination and not be the nominee. He won’t care because many people will send him lots of money from now until 2016. Then, he’ll write a book.

      He’s a black Newt Gingrich (with Allen West being another).

      • muselet

        I’m not so sure.

        Newt Gingrich has always looked for the angle, the easy money, the grift. Allen West is ambitious but nuts. Ben Carson is something different, something potentially a lot more dangerous.

        Carson was a naturally gifted surgeon, which is the problem. From the first day of his surgical residency, he was told he was special, and as is too often the case, that went to his head. After thirty years of hearing how wonderful he is, Carson is convinced he not only has spectacular technical skills—he does—but spectacular reasoning ability as well—he doesn’t—and he believes every word that comes out of his mouth.

        He may or may not run for president. If he does, I don’t think he’ll do it for the money or the fame. He’s a true believer.

        I’d be saying the same things even if he weren’t a wingnut.

        And he’s already written several books.

        (An old joke, if I may: A man dies and goes to heaven. He asks St. Peter if he can see God. St. Peter hems and haws, but before he can formulate a response, someone in scrubs strides past, alternately barking orders and dispensing verbal abuse to a scrubs-clad retinue. As the figure disappears, the man turns to St. Peter. “Was that God?” he asks. “Yes,” St. Peter replies, shaking his head sadly. “You’ll have to excuse Him. He only thinks He’s a surgeon.”)


  • Nefercat

    I took AP American History in high school in the early 1970s.

    Then, in 1992, I voted for Bill Clinton.

    Now I know why.

  • Brutlyhonest

    I can see why ben carson thinks talking about our history wrt slavery is dangerous.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    My latest on Daily Kos, on this issue: Conservative “History” Makes Liberalism Unnecessary.

    Some unkind words for this blog/community in the comment section.

    • JMAshby

      We support militarizing the police? Destroying the free press? That’s news to me.

      I distinctly recall sharing some harsh words about the Ferguson and St Louis police.

      “Brownshirts” is the word I used.

      • GrafZeppelin127

        Clearly the person could not back up his assertion despite being given multiple opportunities.

        • vgranucci

          Why am I not surprised at the identity of the commentor?