Election 2016

I’m Sorry

JM Ashby
Written by JM Ashby

A winner hasn't been declared in the race yet but, I can't lie, it's not looking good right now.

I honestly didn't even know how to start this post or what to put at the top of it.

Suffice to say the polls were wrong. Wildly wrong. Trump won in areas where he didn't lead a single poll. He also won the votes of significantly more white people than polls indicted. At this hour it appears that Clinton matched or exceeded Obama's performance in the usual urban centers, but Trump cleaned up in rural white counties. The historic turnout of Latino voters has essentially been canceled out by a massive swing of whiteness.

I've been fairly confident all along that Clinton would win, just as many veterans of Obama's two campaigns were highly confident, but even the most cautious or pessimistic pollsters didn't predict the results would diverge so wildly from the projections. I take responsibility if any regular readers feel like I misled them. If I did, I didn't do so intentionally.

I feel a deep sense of regret and sadness that women, Jews, Muslims, people of color, LGBTQ people could come under attack by white men who look like me, and I'm so, so sorry for that. I can't apologize enough. Right now it feels like nothing I've done, including writing for this blog five days a week for nearly 7 years, has been good enough. I feel ashamed.

I'm sure I don't need to tell you how big the stakes were in this election. Everything President Obama has worked for over the past 8 years could be wiped out. Climate change may be locked in. Tens of millions of people could lose their healthcare, including myself. Stock markets have already taken a huge hit as of this writing and could take an even bigger one tomorrow.

I wish I had better news, but I'm coming up short right now.

I sat here for almost an hour struggling to even give this post a title. I'll have more thoughts in the coming days, but for now all I can do is say I'm sorry.

Update (2:43 am)..... Hillary Clinton has reportedly called Donald Trump to concede.

  • cmad


  • fry1laurie

    Random thoughts:
    I fear for minority rights in this country. Remember when Texas went to court to try to change districting from a population-based system to a voter-based one, which would have left millions of people without actual representation, because as new immigrants or just under 18 they had no vote (but can still be taxed without that representation). Now they’re free to do so, especially with a soon-to-be newly-compliant Supreme Court.
    Not even 50 percent of the popular vote, but Paul F-king Ryan is calling the election a “mandate”. GOPigs never gave President Obama the same, even with two elections over 50 percent.
    The right wing can’t shove “family values” down our throats after electing a thrice-married sexual predator.
    The “Keep ’em Scared” brigade of the NRA triumphed again. As Robert Klein once said (about advertising),”Fear is the greatest salesman,” and boy, did it sell a totally inferior product this year.
    Like clean air and water? Welcome to Flint, USA.
    Income inequality? America just voted for more.
    Net neutrality? Gone.
    The liberal “purity police” need to grow up and join the rest of society. (I voted for Bernie in the Ohio primary, but I voted for Hillary in the general because I don’t generally starve myself just because my fridge contains hamburger and I really wanted steak.
    Voter suppression efforts will now REALLY being. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
    And finally, some good news. The 16 other clowns in the GOP race will not get to run again for eight more years.

    • Scopedog


      And I swear, if I meet any purist who gloats about how “the system’s finally going down, man!” I’m going to beat them to a pulp.

    • Victor the Crab

      And finally, some good news. The 16 other clowns in the GOP race will not get to run again for eight more years.

      The one clown they sent to the White House is far more than enough to carry out their wishes and cause unspeakable wholesale damage to America and planet Earth. Everything is awful news. Prepare for extinction under Dictator for Life Drumph.

  • mnpollio

    And already the effects are being felt and my depression just gets deeper. I have a wonderful co-worker from Japan, who has lived/worked in the US for several decades, who announced today that she will be leaving the US and returning to Japan in approximately six months and specifically cited the Americans will to elect a bigot like Trump as the reason why she is going. She will be sorely missed as both a co-worker and a wonderful human being. This was followed later by a depressing e-mail from a good friend who originally hailed from Chile and became a U.S. citizen. His children are actually petrified in the wake of Trump’s election and asked him last night whether it was “safe to still speak Spanish in their home.” He said he could not sleep and checked on them in the night and whispered in their ears that everything would be OK, although he truly does not believe it. I think we are all going to be hearing sad stories like this a lot. I stick to what I said in my earlier post. The time to be nice and conciliatory, take the high road and let bygones be bygones is done. If it was good enough for the Repugs to gain power, then OBSTRUCT, OBSTRUCT, OBSTRUCT Trump and his minions and get those impeachment hearings started for anything and everything.

    • ninjaf

      The only problem with the impeachment hearings is that we do not control either branch of Congress. So, we will be at the mercy of Republicans for the first two years. *sigh* But, hopefully, the mid-terms will change all of that. It is the only hope we’ve got.

      • Victor the Crab

        If those retards couldn’t be bothered to get up off their lazy asses and vote for Hillary Clinton, what makes anyone think they’ll do likewise in the mid terms, when they’ve shown they don’t give a fuck about what goes on during presidential elections.

  • Ellen Kuhlmann

    I feel your sorrow. Do not apologize, you did your best. As someone wrote this morning, America is still the country that killed Emmett Till, and building on that, we are the country that produced Joe McCarthy and George Wallace. Racism and misogyny ruled the day. It was “The Patriarchy Strikes Back”. A very dark day on a shadowed planet.

  • Aynwrong

    I hope this proves to not be apt, but today is the anniversary of Kristallnacht or The night of broken windows.

    God help us.

    • I await the Night of the Long Knives once Trump gets into office.

    • Scopedog

      And who would have thought, all these years later…that those forces would rise again here.

      “Never again”. It looks like we forgot.

  • Aynwrong

    “I take responsibility if any regular readers feel like I misled them. If I did, I didn’t do so intentionally.”

    @JM Ashby
    You’ve only done good work here JM and it’s appreciated. I’ll be reading this site as long as you’re writing for it. I’m a better informed citizen for it. THANK YOU.

  • muselet

    America just elected a cross between Buzz Windrip and Silvio Berlusconi, which is terrifying.

    I suppose I’m lucky. I live in California and am represented by Ds at both the state and national levels (and will finally have a sane person representing me at the county level for the first time in my life). I’m male. I’m white. Nobody’s going to try to suppress my vote.

    On the other hand, like everyone else, I’m facing a future without Social Security or Medicare, without undeveloped land, without meaningful regulations except on people’s private lives, but with a dirty great global recession (depression?). How lucky I really am is a fair question.

    In a day or two, maybe I’ll be able to make sense of this (if someone would please remind me to ramble for a bit on the dangers of forgetting, I’d be much obliged). For now, though, no. Not interested. There’s a garden to tend and errands to run and people who need kindness, and those things are more important.

    For now.


    • Can I move to CA? /rhetorical, I can’t

    • Scopedog

      Yeah, it’s one huge clusterf**k heading our way, and the sad thing is that some people want it to hit.

      That said–you’re in a blue state (Cali) that might provide a small cushion. Of course that’s not guaranteed–I’m in the blue state of NJ (which has that corrupt f**k Christie, who’s going to be part of the transition team), but we do have two D senators and a D Legislature.

      I really hate that Chinese proverb of “May you live in interesting times”.

    • Victor the Crab

      There is no fucking safe place with Drumph as president. Get ready for the very quick demise of the human race.

      • muselet

        William Goldman (The Princess Bride):

        Buttercup: We’ll never survive!
        Westley: Nonsense. You’re only saying that because no one ever has.

        Yes, the election of Donald Trump could be an extinction-level event.

        I choose not to believe it will be.

        You’ve read enough of my comments to know I can be a cynic and a misanthrope. At this moment, that attitude isn’t helpful. Optimism is.

        William Goldman again (anticipating your objection):

        Buttercup: You mock my pain.
        Man in Black: Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.

        We survived John Tyler. We survived Millard Filmore. We survived Warren G Harding. We survived Richard Nixon. We survived Ronald Reagan. We survived George W Bush.

        We will survive Donald Trump.

        It won’t be easy. Some people—some people who comment here—will be terribly hurt. Trump and the hacks and nobodies he fills his cabinet with will do great damage to the nation and its institutions, and the mountebanks and grifters in Congress (Hi, Paul Ryan!) will siphon money out of the pockets of the needy and into the pockets of those who want for nothing material. Trump-appointed Justices will do their level best to turn back the clock to the last Gilded Age (but don’t you dare call them activist judges!).

        We will survive all of it.

        Howard Zinn:

        To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.

        What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.

        And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.

        Let us at least strive for those marvelous victories.

        Perhaps not yet, but soon.


        • Victor the Crab

          NO, we will not fucking survive it all! Drumph is a far different animal than those you listed because they were, at the very least, cognizant in the inner workings of government. Even Dubya, as an ex governor, understood that in his undersized brain. Drumph has NO experience in government, believes he’s superior to everyone around him, and will use his ego and personal ideology to run roughshod over every single common sense advice given to him. And when the Great Depression II happens and/or World War III erupts with thermonuclear warheads exploding all over the world, the Liberally Biased Mainstream Media™ will just go “Oh, it’s just Drumph being Drumph. Why cant those America hating obstructionists in the Democratic party get that through their thick skulls?”

          Sorry, but it IS over. We are the divided group headed for oblivion. They are united with Drumph as their leader and the Tea Party as its muscle. And they will see to it that they will be in power till the end of time, which will be very, very soon. Enjoy your limited time while you can.

          • muselet

            Perhaps so.

            Or perhaps the institutional checks on power will function as designed. Or perhaps the GOP will fracture (remember, the leaders and senior members of the party loathe Donald Trump and are fed up to the back teeth with the Tea Party). Or perhaps Trump will get bored and quit (which would, of course, leave us with a President Michael Richard Pence *shudder*). Or perhaps our glorious news media will decide to do their job. Or perhaps the giant meteorite will take us out of our misery.

            Alternating between curling up into a ball and weeping into an adult beverage or three is fine for a while. This is going to be a tough four years, and I’m going out on a limb and predicting, as I said on Wednesday, a dirty great recession. But despair is not an option.

            David Howard and Robert Gordon (Galaxy Quest):

            “Commander Peter Quincy Taggert”: Never give up. Never surrender.

            We’ve managed to live through corrupt and incompetent leaders before. Trump is different in degree, not in kind. He’s not some irresistible force of nature; he’s a shallow, vain, aggressively ignorant, misogynistic bigot. You know, the kind of knucklehead we all tried to avoid in school.

            A tangerine-hued Biff Tannen, in other words, not Adolf Hitler.

            این نیز بگذرد‎‎ (This too shall pass.)


          • muselet



          • Victor the Crab

            Nope. Still not buying any of it. We are forever fucked.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Thank you for all your hard work, Ashby. I’m sorry it went for naught, just know that it’s always been appreciated.
    We are screwed. They got their country back.

  • Aynwrong

    I hate to toss out such a bitter pill but I have to get this off my chest. In Florida over 200,000 votes were cast for Gary Johnson. That means had they voted for Hillary, she would be our next President. This was not a protest vote. It was an ego vote. Whatever little pet peeve issue these people had in mind they chose it over the rights of their fellow Americans. I’ll be curious to the the racial make up of these voters. The phrase “white privilege” come to mind.

    • The right of African Americans in Red States to vote.
    • The right of Muslim Americans to feel safe in their homes.
    • The right of Latino Americans to live here.
    • The right of women to control their own medical
    • The ability of the impoverished to afford health insurance.
    • The right of LGBTQ to marry, use public bathrooms or even be regarded as human beings.

    These are the people that Gary Johnson voter (and I suppose Jill Stein voters) did not take into account and the people, their fellow Americans they did not concern themselves with. They did not vote with their fellow citizens in mind and they should be reminded of this everyday for the next four years.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Who knows if those were disaffected liberals or disaffected conservatives, though. It was much easier to tell in 2000 with Nader.

    • Badgerite

      I think maybe turnout had something to do with it as well. Turnout was down substantially from 2012.
      That may have been successful voter suppression efforts or apathy. Who knows? I am hoping that President Trump Monster will not be as bad as candidate Trump Monster. Already they are backing off of deportations. I’m guessing “the wall” will become virtual pretty damned fast as well. The GOP establishment never really went for that stuff. And I think we will see now is perhaps the country run more by Congress than the executive. I, frankly, don’t know which is worse, in this case.

    • Scopedog

      Actually, Anywrong….I believe they did into account what would happen to their fellow citizens, and they simply did not care. It was all about “protest” and “bringing down the system”, even if it is brought down on the bodies of the groups you mentioned.

      Notice Jill Stein today? She’s crowing about being able to “see the cracks in the system” and thinks it’ll be cool to “see buyer’s remorse set in today”. Translation–she does not, did not, never gave a damn about the consequences.

      • Aynwrong

        Did she really say that? The arrogance and self absorption is staggering

        Damn them all.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Jill Stein is literally the worst. In many ways she’s worse than Donald Trump. At least he doesn’t pretend to be a good person. Jill Stein does pretend, then does this.

    • ninjaf

      African American turnout was down by 7% in North Carolina, and directly attributed to the Republicans reducing early voting hours and polling locations. This also would have made a difference in how North Carolina went.

      • Aynwrong

        I figured as much.

  • mnpollio

    Like many, I was unable to sleep for most of the night thinking about the nightmare about to unfold before us. My heart goes out to the many, many, many people who are in the cross-hairs of this monster (I cringe at thinking of the women who outed him as a predator), who now has unbelievable power to abuse to go after everyone who has ever disagreed with him. And he will. Some people are seriously discussing leaving the country for greener pastures, but truthfully there are those I believe whose actual safety now depends on their exiting the country with Trump as President.

    I am already seeing bleats from certain posters trying to blame the far Left, but I think there is less blame to go there than to be spread to other areas in what turned out to be a perfect storm of disaster that can be spread among conservatives, the media, and even the DNC.

    As I have said before, Hillary Clinton got my vote and I held my breath hoping she would win over the Orange Monster. But she was never an ideal candidate by any stretch through faults both her own and made up. On the real side, her voting record was spotty with her supporting too many conflicts and corporate-leaning policies that simply did not endear her to many. Far more devastating though were the endless made up controversies and scandals, which the corporate media had been tarnishing her with for decades, which were in turn endlessly investigated and debunked, but still repeated ad nauseum in the media and on the internet to the point where too many ignorant fools believed they must be true. And if there is one thing we should have learned by now in America, it is that belief/faith hold more sway than facts.

    Worse, the Republicans and their allies assumed after Barack Obama’s election that Hillary Clinton would be the next nominee and they have spent all that time getting their ducks in a row to destroy her. This could have been confounded if the Democrats had gone with another candidate, but they played right into the Republicans scheme here. There is no doubt that Clinton was qualified (then so were many other Democrats), but Republicans and their media enablers made sure she brought so much baggage to the table to impact her chances of winning an election (and it did). Whether you agreed with him or not, nominating Sanders would have blown this area of attack up for the Repugs. Trump was painted as this tough-talking outsider that was going to change everything and Clinton was painted as the Washington insider who somehow became the standard bearer for everything purportedly wrong in the government (as viewed by rubes). Sanders could have counteracted that in that he was seen (whether mistakenly or correctly) as the Dems version of an outsider out to change the system. Even removing Sanders from the mix, there was so much stacking the deck by Debbie (“It’s her time!”) Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC that a healthy roster of candidates for the Dem nomination was not encouraged to make way for Clinton’s nomination and they ended up suffering for that. And one can also not underestimate the threats from Repugs that they were already planning impeachment proceedings and non-stop obstructionism if Mrs. Clinton did get elected, which would have meant 4-8 years more of chronic gridlock with Mrs. Clinton being tried in the press every single day instead of being able to perform at her peak.

    Plus one cannot underestimate the power of misogyny in this country. America likes to pretend it is very progressive…it isn’t. It had a spell of progressive liberalism starting with FDR and ending with LBJ, and we will probably never see its like here again to our detriment. It seemed to me that there were people who did not like Trump, but just could not bring themselves to pull the lever for Hillary Clinton because they did not want a woman in power. Sadly, the number of women I heard say they could not vote for her was disheartening, and brings to mind that back in the age of the suffragettes, they identified two of the biggest hurdles in getting the right to vote as the Church/Bible and other women who harbored as much misguided misogyny as many of the men. Plus the anti-government bias stoked by the Republicans (thanks St. Ronnie!) and the media also played a role here. As I feared, the release of the Bundy terrorists was a precursor of the “death to the government” rubes playing their parts in the election.

    Unfortunately, what we have to face now is that not only has America elected an unstable psychopath with all the depth and patience of the worst behaved toddler on the playground as the Commander-in-Chief (along with command of the military and the nuclear codes), but the Republicans retained control of Congress, and now Trump gets to stock the Supreme Court with far right ideologues. This is bad enough with the opening from Scalia’s death, but worse when you think that Ruth Bader Ginsberg now has to hold out another four years. In short, Trump and his enablers have carte blanche to destroy everything that the country has accomplished for the better in the last 50 years or so, and we are along for the ride.

    Another problem is that the only thing that might stop them are Democrats in Congress growing a spine, but they have such few actual scrappers in the Party now. They need to take a page from the Republican manuscript and obstruct at every turn. Sorry to say, but civility, conciliation and taking the high road, has not paid off for them and the damage that Trump and the Republicans will inflict is too devastating for them not to start acting in kind to save the country. Despite seven years of listening to the internet and wishful thinkers blathering about how the Republican Party was coming apart and soon to be a thing of the past, they are more powerful and deadlier than ever. They need to be fought on everything detrimental in every way possible and manners need to be thrown to the wind. And this even comes down to us. When the holidays come and those conservative relatives converge to pat themselves on their backs for a job well done, pick up the stuffing and smash it in their face, take that drumstick and beat them over the head with it, and if necessary bodily pick them up and throw them out of the house. The time for being nice is over and there needs to be some regret on the other side for what they have unleashed. Republicans have spent years now backhanding any peace offerings or efforts at being conciliatory and denigrated them as weak, let’s return the favor back at them for a change.

    • The time for being nice is over and there needs to be some regret on the other side for what they have unleashed. Republicans have spent years now backhanding any peace offerings or efforts at being conciliatory and denigrated them as weak, let’s return the favor back at them for a change.

      I completely agree with your conclusion.

      • debish

        they don’t care, sociopaths do not have empathy, as long as they win and gain power that is their only goal motive etc thats why they only get worse and never change for the better

  • Username1016

    My heart breaks for the Lakota protesters…

  • ninjaf

    It looks like she will win the popular vote. For whatever the hell that is worth.

    • Which is precisely nothing

    • Badgerite

      Again. FFFF.

    • ninjaf

      It means nothing politically, but I can at least be happy that a little more than half of the American electorate made the right choice. Doesn’t help the despondency over a Trump presidency but it allows me to keep a little faith in our fellow citizens.

      • Victor the Crab

        That means JACK! SQUAT!!! when dealing with the douchebags who sent Drumph to the White House, where he’ll speed up the very real, guaranteed extinction of the human race.

        Sleep tight.

  • Scopedog

    Ashby, you have nothing to apologize for.

    “It can happen here” has always been possible. And for some, they didn’t care or they just wanted to “blow up the system” or they just couldn’t stand the fact that an intelligent Black man led the country for eight years and that an extremely qualified woman was running for President.

    So now, here we are, facing the abyss, realizing that many just want to jump in cheering.

    I don’t know what else to say. I’m just…damn, I’m just tired and sad and angry.

  • Obamacare gone.
    Net neutrality gone.
    Planned Parenthood defunded.
    Environmental regs gone.
    Pell grants gone.
    Immigration reform gone.
    Supreme Court gone.
    Roe v. Wade gone.
    Voting Rights Act gone.
    Minimum wage gone.
    Trump has his few policy priorities and no doubt will push those, but I’m pretty sure the republican congress will realize pretty quickly that he’ll sign anything they put in front of him. And they’ve shown for eight years how pathologically they pursue certain policies.

    • Scopedog

      Yeah, but at least Jill Stein gets to see the “cracks in the system”…dear God I so hate the far Left and the media right now.

      • Badgerite

        The “system” will only get worse now. There are something like 4 justices on the Court close to or over 80.

        • Draxiar

          Maybe we can “let the people decide” and wait until 2020 and filibuster everything from now until then…y’know, a little of their own medicine back at them. For the next two years at least the Republicans own every bad thing that happens…which will be pretty much anything that happens. Unless Trump is disappeared…that would be kinda nice.

          • I would bet all that I own that the Republicans will nuke the filibuster almost immediately. Why wouldn’t they? Because they’re interested in good government?

          • Badgerite

            Maybe the “Rapture” will come. But I’m not sure it would take him. Oh well. The filibuster is a Senate procedure that has been respected by both sides but abused by only one. And that side is in charge now. If they want, they can do away with the filibuster rule and probably would if the Democrats used it to filibuster Supreme Court nominees as they have done for the last year of Obama’s term.

    • Badgerite

      Paris Climate Agreement? Iran nuclear deal? NATO?

      • Also possible. Good catch.

    • debish

      you are right and lets add increased militarism and authoritarianism

  • Badgerite

    Well, America has never been as good as it has always pretended. And it has never been as bad as some have pretended. Bottom line. We will have to call him President Trump Monster and hope the GOP knows what the hell they are doing. I am not convinced of that. But I’ll wait to see where this goes. I suspect he will behave better now that his ego has been salved. For a while, a least. I wouldn’t blame the young for this as had it been up to them, it would have been Clinton by a mile. The GOP is already talking anti regulatory stuff (see How to Gut Environmental Regulations) and I suspect that the XL Keystone Pipeline is a done deal now.
    Comey is safe as they are not going to hold him accountable for any possible tipping of the election as it worked for them. And they will now leave Hilary Clinton in peace. And the Clinton Foundation. No, they will not “lock her up”. Their only gripe with her is that she stood between them and power. And now they have it…so. The Supreme Court, though, is lost for at least a generation to any liberal reasoning or as a check on GOP power. Maybe Bernie could have won. But I don’t think so. But nobody stopped him from winning the primaries. He just did not get the votes.

    • Draxiar

      President Trump Monster…that’s good. My name for him is President Pumkinhead Pussygrabber.

      • Badgerite

        LOL. I needed a good laugh. Thanks.

    • WhittakerWalt

      I read a list today of the top 5 things Trump voters are expecting from him, and “lock up Hillary” was one of the 5. So, not sure that’s going away anytime soon.

      • Badgerite

        It’s going away. No case. No reason. There is nothing to prosecute. Never was.
        No matter what the basket of deplorables wants. Were they to prosecute and actually get a jury to buy it, any conviction would be thrown out on appeal as against law. Whether they like it or not, we are still a nation of laws.

        • mnpollio

          Keep in mind we are now living in a world where the Bundy terrorists walked away scot-free, so I don’t know that I would be that comfortable touting about the Nation of Laws ideal. At this point, I truly think anything can happen…and not for the good.

  • Georgie
  • swift_4

    That picture was so beautiful. Now it’s tragic.

    • Badgerite

      I don’t think you should see it that way. I was a wonderful and inspiring 8 years. It will stand as an example of what can be accomplished if we look to the potential in all of our communities.
      Maybe we just saw a glimpse of the future during that time. And it was actually a very good future and one worth striving towards.

  • Georgie

    Yep, we have a reality star as a president, it boggles the mind.

  • I’m just devastated. Hardly slept at all. It’s not your fault.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    Americans really are authoritarians at heart.

    We chose cruelty and resentment over solidarity and compassion. So be it. That’s who we are.

    I’m done.

    • debish

      i think you’re right, i’ve struggled with that idea for a long time and finally dawned on me that yes more like strong and wrong and totally incapable of acting independently

    • Badgerite

      For now. Only for this moment. Things change continually. Don’t give up on America just yet.

      • Victor the Crab

        America just sent a narcissistic, megalomaniacal sociopath to the White House. America is so fucking finished.

  • Draxiar

    Ashby, there is no need to apologize…the shortcomings are with the country not with your admirable work. Those of us that read the blog regularly thought that we, as a country collective, were better than the shameful thoughts and words of president-elect Pumpkinhead. Maybe we are…right now it seems we are not. From here we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and keep fighting for the ideals we know are better than what we suspect will be foisted upon us. It’s going to be a long four years.

  • Victor the Crab

    America is filled with fucking retards! There, I said it!

    • swift_4

      Slightly over half full. But yes.

      • ninjaf

        Actually, slightly less than half full. But, yeah.

        • swift_4

          Yeah. When I was looking at it election night it was the other way around. So Republican gets elected with a minority of the popular vote. i’ve seen this movie before. It doesn’t end well. It also doesn’t start well. And the middle sucks pretty bad.

          • ninjaf

            Definitely. And I think this go ’round, it is going to be even worse.

          • Victor the Crab

            Worse as in financial wipeout and/or nuclear annilation. But who the fuck cares, because Drumph’s retarded supporters believe they’ll go straight through to heaven when they die, while the rest of us, who dared to vote for Hillary, will burn in the ninth circle of Hell for eternity, the fucking retarded asswipes!