Comments on: Some Historians Don't Get the Civil War https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/ We Cover The World Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.9 By: Brian C https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4516 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 04:14:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4516 I’m both retired military and a student of the Civil War. Believe me, I get the human cost of war, maybe more than most. I can’t read the Gettysburg Address without being move nearly to tears. Visiting any of the battlefields or a national cemetery has the same effect on me.

To a grunt in the midst of the fight, the battlefield consists of a radius of about three meters and he tends to fight for his buddy to his right and his buddy to his left. At its core, combat is all about human sacrifice, the willingness to give, in Lincoln’s words, “…the last full measure of devotion…” It’s that devotion that gives war the ability to be both ennobling and tragic at the same time.

However, imho, without discussion of the tactics and strategy employed as well as analysis of the logistics involved, a full understanding of the action being studied is impossible. For me, these factors put things in perspective, they provide the structure necessary to gain a true appreciation of not only the circumstances but the purpose of a battle.

For example, reading about the individual fights involved in the action at Gettysburg is certainly moving. Trying to understand how Confederate soldiers could march across hundreds of yards of open fields into the teeth of musket and canister fire during Picket’s Charge is gripping. But knowing what was at stake for both the North and the South and how the future of our country hung in the balance gives me a taste of the desperation the commanders in the field must have felt. Knowing the overarching strategy and the small unit tactics and maneuver employed as Joshua Chamberlain saved the day at Little Round Top puts me on the battlefield and gives me a true appreciation for how very close our Union was to complete dissolution that day.

At Bull Run, the gravity of the position our Union was in and of war itself was brought home to both the Army of the Potomac and the spectators who mistakenly thought a clash of great armies could be used as an afternoon’s entertainment. But without knowledge of the means by which the Confederates out maneuvered the Union Army you can’t fully grasp how serious the South was about its cause and how woefully unprepared–and how overconfident–the Federals were.

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By: Brian C https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4515 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:38:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4515 In reply to dildenusa.

The advantage in manpower and heavy industry of the north proved to be the dcisive factor.

Once Lincoln finally found a general who both knew how/was willing to use it…

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By: Forrest Jenkins https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4456 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:38:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4456 I recently re-watched Ken Burns’s Civil War documentary and his film takes away the same lessons: people learned the hard way that war is horrific and all that “glory” talk was just bluster and hogwash. One only needs to visit Shiloh or Gettysburg or Chickamauga to realize the Civil War was a bloody, savage mess.

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By: dildenusa https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4455 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:33:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4455 One other thing people should take away from the history of the Civil War is the fact that after the first battle of Bull Run it was more a war of attrition. The advantage in manpower and heavy industry of the north proved to be the dcisive factor.

Prior to the Civil War there was a wall between government and corporations. Just as the war began the federal government started to give land grants to the railroads. Also contracts with various corporations to make the tools of war were signed. After the war any wall of separation between the government and corporations disappeared.

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By: IrishGrrrl https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4450 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:14:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4450 In reply to Alan Fors.

Alan, I am a Civil War buff too and will check it out. Thanks!

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By: IrishGrrrl https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4449 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4449 Bob, I have found that most ex-military (not all of course) turned into Historians do tend to get overly involved in the details of battles. The military drills that into their brains. Also, it is so wonderfully concrete in regards to documented evidence that historians in general can’t resist such data. The larger implications are fraught with the perils of “interpretation” which is only attempted by braver souls. I agree with you basically….unless you’re a major battle wonk, a lot of the history can be hard to slog through and doesn’t impart the lessons necessary. It’s the difference between reading numbers on a balance sheet versus seeing the piles of dead and reading the first hand accounts of loss.

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By: red_pills https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4447 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:09:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4447 Credentials do matter in cases like this. Ferguson, whom I concede I do not know, sounds like he’s making a play for the popular history market, which often overrepresents the drama of the narrative to make their accounts more appealing to the lay public. Stringent adherence to the sources tends to break down in such situations; once unmoored, authors reach conclusions like that above.

Your (in my estimation, anyway) more meaningful assessment is, of course, in line with academic historians, who enjoy a general consensus on the matter. There are always outliers, of course, but they usually have axes to grind.

We have a chronic problem with “free-floating history” in the United States. It’s by no means new, but it has become increasingly virulent. Bachmann represents perhaps the most outrageous example, but she is certainly not alone. It’s a dangerous thing to take historical ideas, events, and personalities out of their proper context. To an uninformed electorate, however, anachronisms become gospel.

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By: Alan Fors https://www.bobcesca.com/some-historians-dont-get-the-civil-war/#comment-4446 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:04:00 +0000 https://www.bobcesca.com/?p=14238#comment-4446 Bob,
I just read a good book by Adam Goodheart: “1861: The Civil War Awakening”. Unlike most Civil War histories, it leaves aside most of the military tactics and battlefield heroics, and focuses on the social and political aspects of life in 1861 and the lead up to the war. Some of the authors biases show through, but it doesn’t hurt the book too much.
I’d recommend it to anyone who studies the Civil War. (P.S., Happy Birthday!)

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